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Marvel trade stimulator without coins

Postby widget2k4 » Sat May 31, 2014 11:36 pm

Does anyone have any info on this Marvel machine I have bought ?
There is no coin mechanism on it at all - just a slot in the case. Instead of the coin mech there is a big reel with numbers on that are seen thorough a side window.
I have not seen one like this before and just wondered how it would work in a bar or shop etc. Would the player have to give an operator the money for every pull on the machine?
It is not in working order at the moment and I have just removed a mouse nest from it and the mech is rusted solid, so it may take a while to get it going.
There is also a lock on the side which I noticed all the ones that take coins don't have this lock?
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The mech is very similar to this Liberty Bell I have just finished restoring but there is no disc with numbers on the Liberty Bell.
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Re: marvel trade stimulator without coins

Postby john t peterson » Sat May 31, 2014 11:56 pm

This trade stimulator is the MARVEL VISIBILITY by Daval, 1940. According to Richard Buchel's Guide to Vintage Trade Stimulators & Counter Games, pg. 146, "Daval MARVEL VISIBILITY…is counterpart to Groetchen MERCURY, with both competitive games having "M" names, an easy way to remember the cigarette reel machines. A clue to the manufacturer is where the handle pull sits; inboard on Daval, and flush right on Groetchen. MARVEL is a token "payout," awarding the token when three Spuds are hit. MARVEL VISIBILIITY, shown, keeps token visible behind glass inside machine until paid off, to be covered until hit again."

(Note: MARVEL is another trade stimulator by Daval, different from MARVEL VISIBILITY.)

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Re: marvel trade stimulator without coins

Postby widget2k4 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:39 am

Thanks for that information John, much appreciated.
However, looking at it, I cannot see how the token would appear in a glass? There is only one glass on the side and the disc with numbers on is there showing a number?
Also, the tokens get paid out from the bottom of a tube by a slide just like a regular one arm bandit does.
It's a complicated little machine but I have seen some more that says no coins accepted.
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Re: Marvel trade stimulator without coins

Postby coppinpr » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:07 pm

Duval made several Marvel machines - this one is indeed a "visibility" as John says. They made both "coin" and "non coin" models towards the end of their time so this "non-coin" perhaps dates to closer to 1948 when they closed, the side lock was also a late addition so definitely close to 1948. I have a "coin" version and the glass window on the token payout model shows the last coin entered. This was so the barman could check you had put a real coin in to win the token he was about to exchange for goods. So the glass window on yours is not relevant; they simply used the same case as the "coin" model (you can see where the coin entry is blocked off). The "non-coin" models were mostly used as true trade stims, placed on the bar for groups of people to use in competition with each other to determine who would buy the next round of drinks. The token (if used at all) gave a discount to the unlucky guy who had to pay for the drinks. In 1948 Duval sold out to Comet who continued to make exactly the same machine, with some cosmetic changes later on, well into the late '50s. The original Comet version looks exactly like your Duval in every way.

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Re: Marvel trade stimulator without coins

Postby widget2k4 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:12 pm

Thanks for that Paul.
Do you know what the disc on the side with numbers would have been used for?

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Re: Marvel trade stimulator without coins

Postby coppinpr » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:32 pm

is there a photo of said disc? if this is a disc that shows through the window and changes with each play it is most likely a payout indicator. Some machines paid a selection of tokens each different, "1 pack" "2 pack" and so on and the bar man would pay that number of packs of fags, this one may have paid a single type of token and the amount of the payout was shown in the window.Once again a sign of as late model I think as players were getting bored with "three of a kind pays a prize" this random disc would have added a selection of payouts without changing the mech from the simple "three of a kind pays"

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Re: Marvel trade stimulator without coins

Postby bob » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:55 am

The disc is visible through a window on the side of the machine. It has consecutive numbers starting from 0. It moves to 1, then to 2, then 3 etc., each time the handle is pulled. As the machine does not require a coin to release the handle, there is no payment in advance and the number on the disc in the window records the number of plays i.e. the amount owing to the shopkeeper and the player pays this amount to the shopkeeper on stopping play. The shopkeeper has a key which on turning a lock on the side of the machine resets the spring loaded disc to the zero position when the player has finished and settled up. I have owned this machine in the past, but do not have it any more so cannot show the numbered disc but will attach a photo of the machine, a Daval Comet.
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Re: Marvel trade stimulator without coins

Postby widget2k4 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:04 am

ah perfect :)
makes perfect sense now, i will upload a pic as soon as i get a chance.

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Re: Marvel trade stimulator without coins

Postby gameswat » Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:09 am

I'll just add the operator could also lock the machine from working with that key after resetting, until the next player came along.

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Re: Marvel trade stimulator without coins

Postby widget2k4 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:43 pm

here is a pic of the disc
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