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Re: Dog / Horse / Motorcycle Races

Postby roger » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:08 pm

to pennymachine.......your email address never received roger

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Re: Dog / Horse / Motorcycle Races

Postby pennymachines » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:39 pm

OK Roger - sorry about that. I've now sent it to you by Private Message.

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Re: Dog / Horse / Motorcycle Races

Postby pennymachines » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:00 pm

Roger - I just received the image via JP. I'll put it through Photoshop and print off a copy.
Thanks for going to the trouble. I really appreciate it.

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Re: Dog / Horse / Motorcycle Races

Postby gameswat » Wed May 18, 2016 7:29 am

I was just re-reading this thread and something that the owner of the Greyhound machine being talked about never seemed to broach was: how could a circa 1900 Watling machine have an alloy payout cup and many other alloy castings? Alloy really didn't come into use by the coin-op makers until the mid 1920's or slightly later!?

I meant to say, "alloy didn't come anything but very rare use until the mid 20's". I once had a US made Sittman & Pitt trade stimulator dating 1893 with tiny alloy hubs inside but with every other casting in iron.
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Re: Dog / Horse / Motorcycle Races

Postby gameswat » Wed May 18, 2016 7:38 am

I'll soon have one of this family of machines on my work bench to look over closely, as a local friend just purchased the Essex Horse Race example sold at the recent Morphy auction. On looking at the Braithwaite book I see there is a machine listed as "Flat Racer" 20's/27, the 27 version with improved mechanism and strengthened. Seems likely this is the machine and would cover all versions, Horse, Greyhound and Motorcycle.

Just realised this machine is the same exact example as shown in the black and white photo by mr PM at the beginning of this thread! From a Dec 1976 UK auction sale. Note the wood grain fingerprint.
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Re: Dog / Horse / Motorcycle Races

Postby pennymachines » Wed May 18, 2016 12:19 pm

Interesting... "Flat Racer" seems to cover it, doesn't it? (Thread re-named accordingly).
So the cash door on this one was replaced. I did think it unlikely the manufacturer would have used a brass hooded drawer pull as a coin payout cup! Is it this sort of thing you will be remedying, or does the mechanism need work also?

Regarding the different mechanisms, as I said earlier, I know the metal-fronted "Racing Investor" was different from the ones I restored, but I don't think I have a picture of the innards. It still looks to me like the earliest version. The one you are taking on also looks earlier than the first one in this thread. So would you agree that the punched drum is Mk1 and the punched disc is the "improved, strengthened mechanism"?
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Re: Essex Flat Racer identified

Postby gameswat » Wed May 18, 2016 2:50 pm

pennymachines wrote:So would you agree that the punched drum is Mk1 and the punched disc is the "improved, strengthened mechanism"?

I'd suggest you are correct PM as that was the way I was leaning about both mech styles. Appears to be a zig-zag of strings that connect to all the horses which I assume would be the major weak point of this design.
pennymachines wrote:Is it this sort of thing you will be remedying, or does the mechanism need work also?
The auction blurb stated it needs adjustment and oiling. And the cashbox door and payout cup to be replaced. It doesn't look like the Watling style cup will fit that small size door properly though? Which I'm kind of happy about as I've had two recasts made of those before and my foundry kept having issues with the plug so gave up in the end and had to cast with the chutes solid! A lot of machining and hand work to cut those out I can tell you. I have yet to see another Essex case that matches this very short cash door style.

My friend is almost as particular as I am about getting his machines back to as original as possible. But sadly for him doesn't have the time or skills to do the work. So I've dug him out of many machine holes he's fallen into!!

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Re: Essex Flat Racer identified

Postby pennymachines » Wed May 18, 2016 4:40 pm

Well, I don't think that's such a hole he's fallen into. A nice machine and champion restorer to get it all sorted.
I also had trouble trying to recast one of those cups. The caster kept my original for over 10 years while considering how to mould the undercut, then it went missing. Fortunately it emerged again when the business closed and everything was cleared out.

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Re: Essex Flat Racer identified

Postby gameswat » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:17 pm

OK PM, finally found time to start on this rare circa 1905 Watling Derby machine.......little joke for our old mate Roger. :lol: I mean Essex Flat Horse Racer of course! So far there isn't a number punched into anything, there are lots of hand made parts and small alterations, plus I'm fairly sure the cabinet has been recycled in some way. Which all lead me to believe this is most likely a prototype for the machine. The cabinet may just have been recycled from an earlier prototype of the same or similar game of course. I've worked on a handful of Essex games over the years and they were all finished to a much higher standard than this one. I'm not thrilled with the mech design as a lot of weak points and currently not working due to numerous failures and a terrible "restoration" in the last 20 years, the poor work of an amatuer owner I'll bet. So it doesn't surprise me at all that Essex came up with the much improved and simplified design as seen on all the other surviving machines. Days of fun ahead for me with much pulling of hair I'm sure. :dammit: !!SUICIDAL!! '!'

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Re: Essex Flat Racer identified

Postby bryans fan » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Gameswat wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:17 pm
Days of fun ahead for me with much pulling of hair I'm sure.
Well, judging by your previous restorations, you are the man for the job! I look forward to following your progress. !!THUMBSX2!! !THUMBS!


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