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Back in the 70s, when these "wall machines" were being torn out because of the change on the penny size, importers were shipping these machine in containers to the United States. But they never sold well here. I remember getting these kinds of machines for $25-50, and I loved them. That was many collections ago. But I finally snagged one on U.S. Ebay, a bit of a "sticker shock," for $600.

I have no place to put it, and the partner, she refuses to move out ... hmmmm.
Any expert out there can give me a manufacturer name and a "ball park" (or is that a "cricket pitch") figure on the date?

Well done, looks tidy.

See below link to everything you want to know about the Saxony Allwin

Seven mysteries of the Saxony allwin

I would hazard late 1930s, because the original Jentzsch & Meerz design didn't have a cash door.

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After about 40 years since I owned one, I finally found one on Ebay U.S., that was at a decent price, both for the item and shipping.

I've mentioned it before, in the 70s I could get them in the U.S. for about $50, cause no one really wanted them over here. Well, the prices have certainly gone up, but I got this one for $600.

I have the graphics that goes on the left bottom playfield, but it seem I can't skootch the glass out. Probably a lot of dirt and grime fowling up the glass in it's frame.

Otherwise, I just had to make a few adjustments, needed better tensions on ball launcher spring, coin runway to coin cup needed to be bent a bit, coins were stopping at the end of runway, and one little problem I can't seem to solve, not every coin dropped trips the ball release lever.

I can't see what's happening with the ball release, since it only misfires when I have the machine closed. If I open the door, it hit each time.

Inside, someone wrote on the back with a grease pencil "Rink 2 Area," and there is a sticker on back (see pic) with some names on it and a message indicating location of a "key."

Here's some pics.

Walter from Conifer, Colorado, USA

Walter,

Try one of those rubber square/rectangular pads normally used for twisting off tops of grocery jars. The rubber holds tight to the facing on the glass, allowing you to put the necessary upward force to lift the glass up the door rails.

Forcefully yours,

J Peterson
USA

I'll try that.

Thanks.

walternewton wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:01 pm ... one little problem I can't seem to solve, not every coin dropped trips the ball release lever.

I can't see what's happening with the ball release, since it only misfires when I have the machine closed. If I open the door, it hit each time.

Some clues?

Looks like it has a carved pediment? Nice allwin.

If you loosen the 4 x nuts holding the mech to the door the glass will be freed, you can see the four cupped bolt heads on the front door.

pennymachines and gameswat ...

Thanks for the info.

pennymachines wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:00 am Some clues?

Great clues.

As I piddled trying to find a new spring (you should have seen the old one), I still noticed that the ratchet would get stuck, and if I moved the ratchet by hand, the ball would drop.

So, I took the whole "ball drop" assembly out.

Problem, ratchet and ball "carousel" (inside the ball runway), were not lined up with each other correctly. So when the ratchet advanced, the "carousel" was not in the correct position to drop the ball, hence ball didn't drop, ratchet wouldn't move, it was at least partially jammed.

The page from the 1913 patent you linked me to, shows how the ratchet and the ball "carousel" needs to be lined up with each other correctly.

I haven't put it all back together yet, but I bet this might fix it.

Thanks,

Walter from Conifer, Colorado USA.

walternewton wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:40 pm As I piddled trying to find a new spring (you should have seen the old one), I still noticed that the ratchet would get stuck, and if I moved the ratchet by hand, the ball would drop.

Walter from Conifer, Colorado USA.

Hopefully you didn’t drink too many beers before you started work on the machine

treefrog wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:48 pm

walternewton wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:40 pm As I piddled trying to find a new spring (you should have seen the old one), I still noticed that the ratchet would get stuck, and if I moved the ratchet by hand, the ball would drop.

Walter from Conifer, Colorado USA.

Hopefully you didn’t drink too many beers before you started work on the machine

What machine?

Can anyone tell me what this knurled knob inside my Allwin does?

Some clues?

Pennymachine ... thanks for those links, now I know what that knurled knob is for.

But your links lead me to new questions.

What do I have? A German machine, a British machine, a British-modified machine?

To make this simple, here is a pic of the inside front door and the cabinet.

My guess is British, based on two things only - absence of a disabled reserve ball mechanism (unless you can find some), and the carved pediment. For some reason, German games didn't go in for carved pediments. They sometimes had shaped, uncarved ones though. Bolland shows one quite similar to yours in their advert for re-vamped German allwins, and I've seen the same design on several allwins here. In itself it doesn't help distinguish between UK re-vamp or UK manufacture.



Edit to add - changed my mind already. The didn't frequently employ carved pediments, but sometimes they did - like this original German Climax, with a pediment like the one in the advert. Frustrating, but sometimes it's hard to say anything definitive about these allwins.

This much I can say, the red background on my Allwin, on the playfield, is plastic.

This makes me think a revamp after WWII.

It's certainly not Bakelite or some other material.

And I noticed a lot of the early Allwin pictures I've seen on this forum, don't have the lower door to the cash.

Mine does.

As if to prove a point, it seems the Germans don't know who made Climax, or if it is in fact German or British. Armand at Antik Automaten says this:

Armand wrote:By chance I have now exposed the "Climax". His original name is "The Amuser" and is an Allwin from England.

How he arrived at that I don't know, but the example above appears to have a Dutch instruction card.

Hi =)

"Jentzsch & Meerz" produced a lot of Allwin machines with reserve in the late 1920s and the early 1930s. Due to strict gambling laws the machines were forbidden in Germany. The only version produced for the German market was the "Elektro":



See more pictures of that machine on my website: https://alte-spielautomaten.de/automaten/elektro/

J&M exported a lot of their Allwins under different names like "Climax", "Allwin Deluxe" or "Winalot". They are mostly the same machines with small differences in the decoration of the playing field, casing and payout. They were produced for the English and Dutch market.
You can find "J&M"-markings on the back of the payout-cups and other parts of the machines. They also have the words "Made in Saxony" on the instruction card.

Videos:

Elektro (J&M):



Climax (J&M):



Allwin De Luxe (J&M):



cheers,
Joerg