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bryans fan wrote:I have no experience of this whatsoever.
But generally it would seem that China is able to copy almost anything, and cheaply. I think the repro Allwins were made in China.

You're right, just about everything is made there now, it's just a case of finding the right manufacturer at the right quality at the right price and then the hard bit, convincing my Mrs!

I know a few people who started getting things made in China and to begin with all seemed fine, until they found their product was also being sold by others without them getting a cent. In fact the same company that was making it for them was producing for themselves to sell. My friend paid for the design costs, prototyping, tooling up and then the company stole all that once they knew how to assemble it all to have a finished product. He had to abandon that idea and quickly figured the trick was to have multiple companies in different parts of the country making only parts that were later assembled somewhere else again. And I know a similiar thing happens in the fashion industry with shoes etc. I'd often wondered how the counterfeiters could make such perfect knock off's of complicated sneakers and sell them so cheaply, but they couldn't make a damn cardboard box as the shoes always sold loose!? Turns out the companies making the real shoes stay after hours once the order is filled and make a small run using leftover materials for themselves. So, most often they are in fact the real shoe being sold illegally and of course the boxes are made in a specialist box factory somewhere else meaning the shoes always sell packageless!

The Nostalgic Amusements allwins were manufactured and assembled in different places, for the reason Gameswat mentioned.

we have come full circle in a way, if you have it made in China(which would perhaps be the best option) the patent is a moot point as they dont know what a patent is,of at least dont care

Oh heck, all that makes things very complicated.
i.e.. different parts produced at different locations
lots of different negotiations with many people
more chance things won't fit together correctly
the quality may vary
getting all items produced at the same time
many different parts to import
assembling parts etc etc

no,in that your mistaken, the Chinese are good at taking the whole project,farming out the parts and supplying you with the finished item,not so good at other things

Importing the finished item is very easy these days,not like it used to be. A good, cheap shipper will do ALL the work, pick up from the factory,ship,pay the VAT and duty, deliver to your door and give you one bill for the lot

coppinpr wrote:no,in that your mistaken, the Chinese are good at taking the whole project,farming out the parts and supplying you with the finished item,not so good at other things

How does that stop them making and then selling them on themselves. I guess I need a non disclosure agreement or similar!!!

oh they will give you an agreement and a sole agency...but that wont stop them giving someone else a sole agency round the corner and selling the item them selves

coppinpr wrote:oh they will give you an agreement and a sole agency...but that wont stop them giving someone else a sole agency round the corner and selling the item them selves

Sounds like alls fair in Chinese buisiness

It is partly true they they go their own way but they also suffer from something that is common all over the far east,they think its a good idea to tell you want you want to hear without actually doing what they say,often they really are just trying to please,crazy