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Philip Shefras? allwins

Postby Guest » Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:37 pm

Hi,
I have an allwin machine that is similar to a Bryans Elevenses, but is a different brand. I have seen pics on the web that say it is a Jackpot Extrawin, but no one has identified the manufacturer. Can anyone help with the manufacturer and approx age? Note the knob (middle right) to swish the coin shoot in case of a jam - none of the pics I have seen have this knob. The first pic is my machine. The second pic is a similar machine I found on the web.

Thanks!!
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Jackpot Allwin Identification

Postby margamatix » Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:37 pm

Hello mate, welcome in.

Can't help you with the ID - I have never seen this style of Allwin before, although I am far from being the most knowledgeable on this forum.

Someone will be along who knows, but do you have any known history, and are there any clues at all about manufacturer (initials etc)?

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Re Jackpot Allwin Identification

Postby pennymachines » Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:03 pm

The reference to Extrawin is a red herring. The Jackpot's resemblence to an Amusement Machine Mart (Shefras) Extrawin or Crackerjack, with its similar light wood case and inbuilt topflash, is purely coincidental. I believe your machine was made by Parkers Automatic Supplies Ltd. of Rhyl, but my evidence for this hangs on a thread. I reckon I've seen two other machines with all the characteristic features of the Jackpot which actually have the Parkers signature on them. One of these, I think, was the Jungle Skill.
This was definitely by Parkers. What I need to confirm is that my memory serves me right, and the Jungle Skill has all the Jackpot features. Namely: the bowed wood top above the playfield; the large metal "player control" casting below the playfield and the Bryans-style hinges. Does anyone have one? It would be nice to settle this little riddle.
The confusing thing about Parkers is that over the years they made allwins in several quite different styles - some almost identical to Oliver Whales, others in Odean style cases with elaborate wood veneers.

Date-wise it's the usual vague answer: "Late 1950s". I've seen several ply case versions of the game, like yours. These I guess were made in the 1960s. There seems to have been a period in the 1960s when producing allwins was no longer economically viable. In an effort to cut costs, the few remaining manufacturers resorted to plywood.

I've not seen the coin-clearing addition before. Curious! Although the game pays 12 for the jackpot, the coin chute seems quite adequate.

By the way - I think the Jackpot is a great allwin - one of the best for play value.
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Jackpot Allwin Identification

Postby glenndoddy » Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:03 pm

Hi all and a MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
I have a 'Jackpot' and understand it was manufactured by Oliver Whales of Fun City in the mid '50s.
The patent no. 701/26... It's a great machine... If anyone would like a photo, please get in touch... G.D.

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Re Jackpot Allwin Identification

Postby pennymachines » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:33 pm

Hi Glendoddy,

That's right, I'd forgotten Oliver Whales made a Jackpot allwin. But I think you'll agree it's not the same as the ones pictured above.

The OW version has a fixed jackpot in the form of some coins stuck in a little window behind the backflash - really just a visual indication of what you can win. The "Parkers", on the other hand, has a cylinder filled with twelve coins which rotate out of sight for a moment when you win, giving the appearance of an automatic reloading jackpot.

Maybe you could post a picture of your machine here for comparison.
I wonder what innovation the patent refers to.

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Re Jackpot Allwin Identification

Postby coin-op » Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:15 pm

Actually, I think Oliver Whales made two versions of their Jackpot allwin, as there is another version which is called 'Double Jackpot' (see pic). I think the Double Jackpot was very late as it has a sweet payout. This was original to this machine and actually came with one other like it and another which had not even had the holes put into the cabinet for the flicker/payout handles and cup to be fitted. Maybe the last Oliver Whales machine ever? :D
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Re Jackpot Allwin Identification

Postby pennymachines » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:26 pm

Two more from the Jackpot stable for comparison: Plentywin and Pot Luck. Distinguishing features - the bowed wooden piece above the backflash, Bryan's style door hinges, beechwood case, and the cast metal plate around the ball trigger, payout knob and payout cup.
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Re Jackpot Allwin Identification

Postby JC » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:09 am

The 'Pot Luck' allwin above is actually a 'Double Your Money'. Clearly, the top flash isn't original, and whoever made it probably didn't know the machine's correct name.

Anyone interested in learning more about these allwins should consult issue 3 of Mechanical Memories Magazine. Unfortunately, we still haven't discovered the manufacturer of these 'mystery machines' which include: Jackpot; Double Your Money; Double Your Win; Plentywin and Safari.

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Re Jackpot Allwin Identification

Postby pennymachines » Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:26 pm

An expert replies:

I have looked closely at [these] machines and to be quite honest, I do not know. At a guess I would say they were made by an independent arcade owner/operator, Solly Parker first started out making machines for his own operation before he started selling them, but his machines were made from parts that were bought from Oliver Wales and R & W, I was friendly with his son Brian. The hinges are clearly Bryans, they were the best hinges and a favorite with traveling showmen like my Father, it was easy to lift the front of off the machine cabinet when we had to carry them to a lorry to pack them on the fairground. My uncle Oliver Avyard sold his amusement park at Burnham Beeches to John Lovat who made several machines for his arcade in the park, If I did not know better I would say the bottom casting was Bradley but the time frame is wrong, they are clearly late 1950s early 1960s. Also one reason I would tend to lean towards an arcade/operator being the manufacturer is that he used the best hinges, the best Gallery and a metal plate to strengthen the trigger, payout cup and coin return handle, plus the slope on the coin entry making it a good trouble free operating machine. My Father used to buy Jennings Little Dukes and put them into a modern wooden cabinet, also because of the weight of the Jennings steel cabinet it was lighter once again to carry to the lorry on the fairground. Tomorrow I will ask Derek Horwood of United Distributing Company in London. Derek's Father owned Chicago Automatic Supply, one of the founders of the British coin machine industry, I bought my first machine from them 55 years ago.

Thanks for that Freddy. Bradley is an interesting idea, after all, they were still making wall machines (in light wood cases) in the 50s and 60s - e.g. the Super Challenger.

For the record here's the Safari, the Double Your Money (with correct top-flash) and another one - the Storm.
I think the Double Your Win was a Kraft/Shefras product in the same line as the Extrawin etc. and doesn't belong to this set. A confusingly similar name.
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Win a Pack of Fruit Polos

Postby arrgee » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:06 pm

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Just thought you would like to see my latest machine acquired few days ago. Oliver Whales fruit polo, the only problem is that the size of the modern polos will not fit as they are too long. I have found that 'love hearts' will fit if one sweet is taken out either end, and as the outer wrapper is only twisted this is quite easy to do. Mechanism is lovely and built as if it were part of an engine not a slot machine ! I suppose that's why it weighs a ton.

I am guessing but I would put the machine mid to late 1950s based on the style of the girls swimwear, perhaps someone could verify, or not. It is my first Whales (I understand it is O.W. but I cannot find any makers name) and I do not know much about the history of them. If anybody out there could elaborate I would be grateful. Did these companies have to get formal clearance from sweet manufacturers for these machines to dispense the manufacturers sweets?

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