What bandit to restore?
Re: What bandit to restore?
Thanks again coppinpr, for your continued help and advice. I will spend a few days logging in the results and post again when I have enough stats to make sense. Currently it has paid out correctly a few times such as the cherry on first reel paying 2, but randomly on others, including occasionally 1 or 3 coins. Will keep logging but meanwhile pics of payout chart and reels attached in case this throws up any clues.
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Re: What bandit to restore?
Trying to log and identify accurate pay outs against inaccurate ones simply by playing it and leaving the outcomes to chance seems the long way to do it and a bit hap hazard.
You need to first check the pay out discs for blanked off holes, and check the winning combinations for holes lining up that the vertical fingers can access.
That will not only confirm if the winning lines are accessible but highlight any combinations that should never pay out but do, thus giving a clue as to any reel strips that have been refitted badly.
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You need to first check the pay out discs for blanked off holes, and check the winning combinations for holes lining up that the vertical fingers can access.
That will not only confirm if the winning lines are accessible but highlight any combinations that should never pay out but do, thus giving a clue as to any reel strips that have been refitted badly.
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Re: What bandit to restore?
You need to first check the pay out discs for blanked off holes, and check the winning combinations for holes lining up that the vertical fingers can access.
I feel, BP, you underestimate my naivity on all matters bandit related, not least the terminology
Whilst I am happy to dismantle an Allwin and reassemble it (sometimes even in the right order!) bandits are a whole new ball game (coin game?) to me so methinks a trip to the Coventry auction beckons where I can maybe throw myself on the mercy of a member who can show me the internal mysteries of these magic machines in the flesh, so to speak. ![lecturing :didact:](./images/smilies/lecture.gif)
I feel, BP, you underestimate my naivity on all matters bandit related, not least the terminology
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Re: What bandit to restore?
An excellent suggestion, I'm the good looking one sporting the knowledgeable air of confidence.
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Re: What bandit to restore?
If, as you say, you really are new to bandits you probably don't know the best way to log and check payouts. It's in the hint and tips section but basically this is what to do:
This is best observed with the mech OUT of the case, although that will make it harder to depress the arm that fires the mech.
At the back of the mech is a clockwork fan which winds up as you pull the handle and unwinds as the reels spin. This controls the timing of every part of the cycle.
Put a coin in the machine;
Depress the handle all the way to make the reels spin;
As soon as the reels start to spin throw a cloth/duster into the fan from the rear - this simply stops the fins from turning. As long as you leave the cloth in place the reels will turn freely by hand, this gives you the chance to do several checks.
You can line up the reels quickly by hand and see if the holes on the large payout discs on the right line up ready for the fingers to shoot through. You can also line up a payout so it reads correct from the front then, holding the reels in place by hand, remove the cloth and let the cycle run its course. You will be able to see if the fingers shoot through the holes and what the machine pays for that combination.
Try not to put your fingers into the mech while it's running - it pinches...hard.![shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/eeek.gif)
This is best observed with the mech OUT of the case, although that will make it harder to depress the arm that fires the mech.
At the back of the mech is a clockwork fan which winds up as you pull the handle and unwinds as the reels spin. This controls the timing of every part of the cycle.
Put a coin in the machine;
Depress the handle all the way to make the reels spin;
As soon as the reels start to spin throw a cloth/duster into the fan from the rear - this simply stops the fins from turning. As long as you leave the cloth in place the reels will turn freely by hand, this gives you the chance to do several checks.
You can line up the reels quickly by hand and see if the holes on the large payout discs on the right line up ready for the fingers to shoot through. You can also line up a payout so it reads correct from the front then, holding the reels in place by hand, remove the cloth and let the cycle run its course. You will be able to see if the fingers shoot through the holes and what the machine pays for that combination.
Try not to put your fingers into the mech while it's running - it pinches...hard.
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Re: What bandit to restore?
I believe this machine is running on old shillings/early 5p coin and should have just 4 payout slides:
1 = 2 coin slide
2 = 4 coin slides
1 = jackpot slide
Is that the case?
1 = 2 coin slide
2 = 4 coin slides
1 = jackpot slide
Is that the case?
Re: What bandit to restore?
Looks to me as if it pays 2-4-6-8-10 PLUS the Jackpot, which is 5x2 plus jp.
A bit more complicated, but not insurmountable.
A bit more complicated, but not insurmountable.
Re: What bandit to restore?
Yes, running on shillings which I have a pile of. Looks like 6 payout slides if I'm looking at this correctly ? but then on the last (incorrect) payout which was lemon-cherry-lemon it paid out 2 coins but both of bottom 2 slides activated!
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Re: What bandit to restore?
OK, I'm getting confused (help me out here BP) - the slides can't pay 1 coin each, you couldn't get your payouts that way.
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Re: What bandit to restore?
I hadn't been following this one too far as it seems it was confusing enough without me sticking my whore in.
Is it possible ……..
The original denomination is so unusual when playing it on something thicker it miss pays?
The OP hasn't enough coins to weigh the stack down so when the slides fire they jump up?
Is it the wrong coin entirely, look at the diameter on the pay out tube?
How many fingers both vertical and horizontal are there?
Do they match?
How many pairs of Bri-nylon socks does the OP own, do they match?
It sounds cobbled, so I guess most of us would be wanting to check the basics wouldn't we, like pay out discs, slugs, fingers blah blah?However the jargon is confusing so if he does turn up at Coventry (while you're slumming it cruising The Indian Oceon) we can give him a quick run through
(eh?
)
Unless TF has other ideas?
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Is it possible ……..
The original denomination is so unusual when playing it on something thicker it miss pays?
The OP hasn't enough coins to weigh the stack down so when the slides fire they jump up?
Is it the wrong coin entirely, look at the diameter on the pay out tube?
How many fingers both vertical and horizontal are there?
Do they match?
How many pairs of Bri-nylon socks does the OP own, do they match?
It sounds cobbled, so I guess most of us would be wanting to check the basics wouldn't we, like pay out discs, slugs, fingers blah blah?However the jargon is confusing so if he does turn up at Coventry (while you're slumming it cruising The Indian Oceon) we can give him a quick run through
(eh?
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Unless TF has other ideas?
BP
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Re: What bandit to restore?
Sorry to give you brain-ache coppinpr.
. The 3 bells just paid out 10 coins with 5 slides activating, which is good, so rather than waste any more of your time for the moment perhaps I should log in the next 20 or so payouts, what symbols, how many coins and how many slides activate. The Lemon, Cherry, Lemon combination paid out 4 a few days ago then 6 next time it came up, then 2
but I wasn't checking slides on the earlier payouts so will do so and see if some sort of pattern emerges. Could slides be part of the problem? Either way, it's a lovely machine despite its childish jokes it's playing on me, so I'm sticking with it. ![sunny :cool:](./images/smilies/flowerface.gif)
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Re: What bandit to restore?
Oh your machine is a loooong way from being a big problem machine, it's most likley the fact there is more than one problem that is confusing the issue. Do the stop fan thing and list what happens when you line up each and every winner. The slides could well be a problem, especially if what BP says is true and they are running the wrong coins, are dirty, or both. A good first lesson on bandit maintenance is removing the slides and cleaning them. A detailed description of how to do it exists in the hints and tips section. It can and will get fixed... it just might take some time. ![sunny :cool:](./images/smilies/flowerface.gif)
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OK so I don't need to give it a damn good thrashing then
Will do as you suggest, starting with the slides. Thanks for your help and patience and as Arnie once said, I'll be back ![sunny :cool:](./images/smilies/flowerface.gif)
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Ref Jubilee Rivierra Collossus payout anomolies I've got back to looking at it after being sidetracked by the festive season, and a trial logging of payouts has solved the problem.
Bear in mind it's my first bandit so I was on virgin territory. The machine was now paying out correctly on all runs but in addition was incorrectly paying out 2 coins when first reel came up with a lemon. This seemed odd as it appeared that the lemon on first reel was masquerading as a cherry and this was proved further as when first was lemon and second was cherry it paid out 4 coins, i.e. for 2 cherries.
A close examination of the reel showed an almost invisible join line at the edges of the lemon symbol and lo and behold a careful prising up of the lemon revealed the original cherry one beneath !
Why anyone would want to do this I can't quite work out (anyone got any clues on this?) as it wouldn't cut down the number of wins, just confuse the operator (and I'm easily confused) but it was a very professional looking job as the lemon was a perfect copy of the lemons on the other reels and not readily visible. I ,thought I'd share this as it just goes to show that it pays to examine the reels closely for a simple solution before taking the machine to bits![punishing !PUNISH!](./images/smilies/punish.gif)
Bear in mind it's my first bandit so I was on virgin territory. The machine was now paying out correctly on all runs but in addition was incorrectly paying out 2 coins when first reel came up with a lemon. This seemed odd as it appeared that the lemon on first reel was masquerading as a cherry and this was proved further as when first was lemon and second was cherry it paid out 4 coins, i.e. for 2 cherries.
A close examination of the reel showed an almost invisible join line at the edges of the lemon symbol and lo and behold a careful prising up of the lemon revealed the original cherry one beneath !
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Why anyone would want to do this I can't quite work out (anyone got any clues on this?) as it wouldn't cut down the number of wins, just confuse the operator (and I'm easily confused) but it was a very professional looking job as the lemon was a perfect copy of the lemons on the other reels and not readily visible. I ,thought I'd share this as it just goes to show that it pays to examine the reels closely for a simple solution before taking the machine to bits
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Re: What bandit to restore?
At some time in its life it probably had a blank on the payout disc preventing the finger from entering the hole thus not paying out as you would expect with a lemon so the player would not suspect anything amiss. In this way, the arcade operator can increase his profits (sneaky!) The blank must have since been removed but not the lemon symbol. The bandit boys will probably be along soon to tell you of other dastardly tricks like 'bugs'.
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Re: What bandit to restore?
Sometimes the blanks were just clipped into the payout disc gaps and constant hammering on the first reel could eventually pop it out. Nice to return the machine to its correct payouts. ![thumb-up !THUMBS!](./images/smilies/thumb.gif)
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I removed FIVE extra Lemons, AND two bugs from a Buckley Criss-Cross recently!
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Ah - now it makes sense - thanks for enlightening innocent me! And there was I thinking the arcade operators were an honourable bunch
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Re: What bandit to restore?
It's possible the lemon was added without the bug being clipped over the pay out gap.
By allowing it to pay out (the smallest win) it entices the player into thinking it's mis-paying and they're cheating the machine.
Mills & Sega commonly did this and proudly proclaimed "Mystery Wins" on the Award Card.
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By allowing it to pay out (the smallest win) it entices the player into thinking it's mis-paying and they're cheating the machine.
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Mills & Sega commonly did this and proudly proclaimed "Mystery Wins" on the Award Card.
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I like the bit about Mills and Sega 'Mystery Wins', not such a mystery any more.
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