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C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby mastereddy69 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:26 pm

Hi guys, I am a total newbie and trying to find some help with this project. I bought it a while ago and like to restore it. But where to start?
What is the best way to get the casting looking like new? I need new reels (the old paper ones are broken), the award card is missing and also the award card holder. Is it even possible to find all the items I need or is this a waste of time? Tips are welcome. Thank you.
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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby radiochrissie » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:32 pm

Given lots of time and effort these machines can be transformed. The paper reel strips are the least of your worries - the mech looks in poor condition but could be transformed if you take your time. You need a certain amount of mechanical know how. Have you attempted anything like this before?

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby badpenny » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:44 pm

I've had three of those.
I used to take the castings and handle to a plater to be stripped and polished.
If you can strip off the varnish on the wooden sides it's best, and then re-varnish. Luckily I still have access to the old formula Nitromors which is no longer available to the general public. The new stuff is pathetic.

The award card is there to the right of the reels window. Hard to tell but looks ok.
You have the skill buttons, but your photo of the mech doesn't show if the stops are still connected.
Likewise I can't make out if the vendor is intact. If it is check that the reset lever is attached to the inside of the handle.

The reels should be tin not paper, perhaps the originals are under the paper ones, I've known that to happen before.
Is the back door there? If not you're not likely to find one. Although the prototype was modelled on a 30s Mills the door is different.

Don't go crazy considering chroming the originals were either polished or nickeled which is a much warmer finish to chrome.
If you want an idea of the colour scheme there is a superb photo of one in Dieter Ladwig's book.
If you click on this link Here and scroll down you'll see the last one I sold, the photo enlarges if you click on it.

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby mastereddy69 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:06 pm

radiochrissie wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:32 pm
Have you attempted anything like this before?
No, this would be my first attempt.
badpenny wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:44 pm
You have the skill buttons, but your photo of the mech doesn't show if the stops are still connected.
Likewise I can't make out if the vendor is intact. If it is check that the reset lever is attached to the inside of the handle.

The reels should be tin not paper, perhaps the originals are under the paper ones, I've known that to happen before.
The skill stops are missing and the vendor is not intact. The reels are not really paper but like paper with a kind of plastic layer over it, but they are so old and ripped and missing pieces. The backdoor I have with a lock only, no key.
The one on that picture looks so nice. You think I can still find parts for it? Like the skill stop?

Thank you for helping me out.

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby badpenny » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:04 pm

I'd be very surprised if you'd find any parts.
Is the jackpot there? It's more important than the skill stops.
It's a shame about the vendor.

These machines were rarely seen in the flesh, I think The Berlin Wall coming down released the ones currently floating around. I know the three I owned had escaped from the cellar in an old building there.

If the vendor roll is there, but the reset mechanism and/or holders for the mint rolls are missing, I'd probably manufacture those and put the vendor into commission.
If the original metal reels aren't present I'd make up some paper ones.
The castings I'd have dipped and polished
The handle and hub the same, perhaps plated if good enough.
Strip the oak sides and varnish, they should have a thin gold stripe an inch or so in from the edge in an Art Deco style, straight lines and angles no curves.
A nut & bolt strip down on the mech, get the rust off, wire brush the base plate.

Paint the castings as per the pictures, remantle it ...job's a good un.
I did mine over a couple of months or so, but the platers were quick and local and it was a hot Summer, ideal for sitting in the garden with small paint brushes.

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby badpenny » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:10 pm

... just spotted the jack pot is there (Doh!) it might need stripping down though.

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby mastereddy69 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:51 pm

Thank you Badpenny for all your input. I guess I have to take my time for this one. Would be nice to find the missing parts somewhere though. :HaHa:

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby treefrog » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:11 pm

Best thing to do is find someone who has same machine with parts to help take close up of bits missing.....unlikely to find someone with buckets of spares for these, you could try German ebay, occasionally these turn up there, but rarely spares.....maybe there is a German collectors site that could help

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby mastereddy69 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:41 pm

Thank you Treefrog , will see if i can find some german sites. And Ebay, maybe i get lucky !!THUMBSX2!!

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby treefrog » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:55 pm

Below if the area most coin op is on, do a search from here
https://www.ebay.de/b/Automaten-Ersatzt ... bn_2387300

Maybe try this forum if you are good at German
https://www.antik-automaten.de/wbb2/index.php


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