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Re: New website features

Postby widget2k4 » Tue May 23, 2017 9:16 pm

I have to agree with treefrog, a one arm bandit category is a must I would say. Also can you just upload pictures to the museum? I wouldn't mind uploading pictures but not too good on giving descriptions etc. and what category would you put something like a Hidden Treasure or trade stimulator into?

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Re: New website features

Postby badpenny » Tue May 23, 2017 10:40 pm

"........... the two running it are more interested in this type of machine I'm also interested in canals, but you miss the point.
Paul and I are trying to expand on the sensation of entering a UK seaside arcade.

We're not trying to create an essential database of machines by alphabetical order.
It was approached by looking for evidence of machines we and others might remember. Then naturally whilst doing that one stumbles across something interesting, so shove it in because others might also be fascinated by it too.
There is an excellent American site which is already streets ahead of anyone else when it comes to such details, mainly American but it does include some British.
The Germans also have similar.

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Re: New website features

Postby 13rebel » Tue May 23, 2017 10:55 pm

A great start to the museum, clear images of machines, unfussy background, well written descriptions with good videos. Well done and thanks. :D

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Re: New website features

Postby pennymachines » Tue May 23, 2017 11:17 pm

Cheers rebel!

Hi Tf and thanks for the feedback.

Perhaps the easiest thing is for me to describe my original motive for creating the site and how that informs the decisions I made. The intention was always to provide a niche website specifically about British pre-decimal slot machines, both because they're my passion and, to date, they've been largely unrepresented (apart from two small books with limited pictorial content). The pennymachines.co.uk domain name was chosen to reflect this.

As part of this project I created the Forum which inevitably has a much broader scope, namely the whole pre-decimal amusement machine scene, albeit from a largely British collector community perspective. The purpose of the Museum is to catalogue uniquely British products up to the demise of the decimal penny. This doesn't stem from patriotic or nationalist motives, but in order to showcase what was particular and characteristic of the UK industry (conditioned by our legal, cultural and economic climate). It's necessary therefore to exclude foreign and post decimal machines, which would dilute the focus.

The name 'Museum' fits the 'classical' theme which was part of the site from the start - Arena, Forum, Archive etc. It is a kind of virtual museum, so why not? 'Database', 'Register' etc. sounds a bit cold and clinical.

I did anticipate there might be some disquiet about the absence of a bandit category but, as we discussed recently, there really are very few British bandits, so the broader Gambler category covers all games in which there is no conceivable element of skill. This would include the few bandits (BMR, etc.) and games like Clocks, Stockbrokers (certainly the Hidden Treasure) and betting games (Bullion etc.). I think it's quite easy to distinguish these true gambling games - nobody was ever fooled by the so-called 'skill button'.
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Tue May 23, 2017 8:20 pm
The ability to register and categorise your own machines is great, but I would be tempted to make some of these field indexed based on categories that can be searched and structured.
I didn't understand that bit. All the fields are searchable and you can drill down to a manufacturer and that company's product via 'Manufacturer' links or all the makers of a particular type of game in similar fashion.

I fully take your last point, again on the bandit issue. But as BP says, there's an extensive online database covering these, plus many excellent books.

To address your questions widge - yes, I designed the Museum so that the only things you have to fill in are the name of the machine and at least one picture - so don't be intimidated. ;-)
It will say, 'This machine deserves a description' which I will happily supply. :cool:

As to trade stims - they're uniquely American - unless you count, say, a Trickler (Skill Game).

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Re: New website features

Postby treefrog » Tue May 23, 2017 11:37 pm

But Mr PM, 20% of the machines you have listed in the museum are foreign machines converted to British coinage, I suspect as you have led this is about the interest people have as you pointed out the lack of British made bandits, but there billions of bandits operated on old coinage to cover... ;-)

The slot machine database you both refer to on the web is rubbish, has poor info and not updated very often.

Suspect my point has been missed and I guess this is down to what people have an interest In At the end of the day.....

I am am going back into my cell now they are locking up for the night

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Re: New website features

Postby pennymachines » Wed May 24, 2017 12:48 am

I don't think I missed your point (except the part about the field indexing) but, as you say, ultimately it does come down to our interests, and of course the site reflects mine to some extent.

The '20% of foreign machines converted to British coinage' is a bit disingenuous! :lol:
The Pin Up Girl's a fairly major British revamp - cabinet, play handle and graphics, in addition to coin conversion. The Sirdar Polyphon wasn't converted. It was British built and patented (although the game incorporates a German musical movement). Everything else, so far, is 100% British.

If coin-conversion was the only significant modification, I would exclude it, but there's certainly a place here for revamped Beromat or Tom Boland bandits, etc. or anything else substantially remodelling in the UK.

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Re: New website features

Postby widget2k4 » Wed May 24, 2017 6:58 am

OK mr PM !THUMBS!
I will upload a few and you can filter through them. :)

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Re: New website features

Postby pennymachines » Wed May 24, 2017 5:12 pm

Excellent work! !!THUMBSX2!! Really nice clear pictures too of some splendid games.

I'm starting to fill in some descriptions but I already lost two by pressing the wrong button. :smash: The Firefox add-on Lazarus Form Recovery is no longer supported. :( l realize now how often it saved me from such frustration. It seems incredible that form input saving isn't a built in browser option.

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Re: New website features

Postby widget2k4 » Wed May 24, 2017 5:47 pm

Ah no way :( !!JUNK!!
I noticed website went to snail's pace when trying to add some photos, got plenty more photos of Oliver Whales, Wonders etc if you want them? Was going to add shield catcher then it came to me that I'm sure they are not English but German?

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Re: New website features

Postby pennymachines » Wed May 24, 2017 6:47 pm

Site still going at snail's pace today - thought it was just me. Running an uptime check to see if there's a problem with the server.
widget2k4 wrote:got plenty more photos of Oliver Whales, Wonders etc if you want them?
Certainly, all relevant machines are wanted. !!THUMBSX2!!
widget2k4 wrote:Was going to add shield catcher then it came to me that I'm sure they are not English but German?
That's where it gets tricky. I think some may have come from Handan Ni or other UK makers, but most are German. Some have been quite extensively revamped, with cigarette payout etc.


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