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Re: Brenner "Ball Past The Arrow"

Postby john t peterson » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:39 pm

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Re: Brenner "Ball Past The Arrow"

Postby widget2k4 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:58 am

Sorry to bring up an old post.
Does anyone have a picture handy to show the area where I have arrowed on mine as I can't see how the disc will spin to move the arrow. It doesn't look right. It had a screw in that was catching the bottom lever to make it work and it was all bent, obviously not correct. Also, there is a spring arrowed and I can't see where it goes. It was originally attached to a piece of wire and screwed where the red circle is, again not correct.
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Re: Brenner "Ball Past The Arrow"

Postby gameswat » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:43 pm

The end of the spring that is still attached is to a horizontal lever, the right hand end of that lever has a long oval hole which sits on a pin, the spring attaches to that pin. But on mine the pin is on the other side of the vertical lever, which is the same side that spring attaches to at the other end. Hard to see much detail from your pic but looks like maybe the pin fell out and someone drilled the hole and stuck a bolt in it's place? But then re-attached the horizontal lever as mentioned above on the wrong side. Then they had to attach the end of that spring somewhere else and so added a screw to the wood. That would have also stretched the spring so maybe that was also to remedy some other issue with the mech not working optimally?
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The ratchet pawl is moved out of place for this photo to see where spring attaches.
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The ratchet pawl is moved out of place for this photo to see where spring attaches.
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Looking down from above with ratchet spring moved to show your loose spring position.
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Looking down from above - your loose spring is hidden by the larger ratchet spring.
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Re: Brenner "Ball Past The Arrow"

Postby widget2k4 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:48 pm

That is fantastic GA, just what iI needed thank you. That's one clean mech you got there :)

Am I right in thinking the two parts I have arrowed in your photo is what makes contact to move the lever that spins the wheel?
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Re: Brenner "Ball Past The Arrow"

Postby gameswat » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:09 am

Yes, that's correct.

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Re: Brenner "Ball Past The Arrow"

Postby gameswat » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:25 pm

Some more info I've pieced together on these, as Mr PM noted earlier in this thread they actually date back to the 1930s and into the '50s. According to the Braithwaite Arcades book he states a date of 1937 for the machine "Fun", which I guess is the real name of the machine, with the information from the World's Fair magazine dating 28-08-1937.

And on looking closely at the artwork on the three machines I've owned I've noticed that the earlier more complex mechanism has written on the front in a very late art deco style "Made by Brenner of Croydon", which according to the Arcades book dates the machine only as late as 1937, because that's when Brenner married and moved addresses. And on my later simplified mechanism versions the front states "Made by BW Brenner" which could date no later than 1952 as the company ceased to operate that year.
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Earlier 1937 name artwork..
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Earlier 1937 mech style.
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Later name artwork.
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Later mech style.

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Re: Brenner "Ball Past The Arrow"

Postby gameswat » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:21 pm

So it turned out I ended up buying the incomplete machine that started this thread from (BigBritPenny) John P. As usual he's taken advantage of my kind nature dirtdog. In fact I turned down the offer to buy on my 1st visit back in 2007 as I then only had the earlier 1930s mechanism version and both are totally different. But on the next visit in 2012 I'd recently purchased a pretty much complete and working later version from Chicagoland, so went ahead and took it off his hands.

I've only just taken them out of the garage to work on a few days ago and on close inspection the games were made very close to one another - the Chicagoland machine is #100A, while the ex JP machine is #117A! And I'm fairly certain both machines came into the US separately. Amazingly Brenner didn't seem to own a set of number stamps and instead hand punched with a small screwdriver!? Sooo much easier to fabricate the missing parts with originals to copy from on the bench. This system has worked for me many times. And there was quite a lot of fiddly machining to put it right. Aristomatic will be thrilled to know I used a little more of that leftover spade steel to make several of the hardened armatures that were lost. Someone did a terrible job of converting the machine to 2p operation and I was unable to salvage the original payout tube as they'd torched the hell out of it with bronze that I just couldn't remove without melting the brass. Pretty sure JP dodged a bullet by "forcing" this one on to me........ :o I imagine a container load of Bussoz "La Girouettes" and "Auto-Talkie" Mutoscopes will be arriving any time soon........ :!:
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Parts with red dots had to be fabricated.
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#100A on the left - #117A on the right.
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Re: Brenner "Ball Past The Arrow"

Postby bryans fan » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:57 pm

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Re: Brenner "Ball Past The Arrow"

Postby john t peterson » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:55 pm

You're welcome, Gameswat. I am indeed your generous benefactor. If you put a little more effort into getting this oldie goldies back into shape, I might trust you with more challenging projects. Lord knows I have a few hanging around. !SAINT!

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Re: Brenner "Ball Past The Arrow"

Postby junior » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:59 pm

Hi, did all ball past the arrow machines have a number scratched into them somewhere which could identify when they were built?


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