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Re: Reels not spinning on Aristocrat Olympic 'Lucky Chance'

Postby aristomatic » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:28 pm

To offer some help, I have previously sent a pm to whizza.

As a new poster, they may or may not be aware of pm messaging, so will post below:

The pix I posted of a Take Ten award card machine is actually lifted from site's Arena November 2011 auction results page.

I have had three of these machines or mechanisms, one in an original Take Ten artwork branded cabinet, the other two in operator revised artwork to remove the Take Ten feature (maybe change in law/maybe improve % payout or maybe just because they didn't work very well............................).

Mechanisms I have had, seem to be all mechanical in operation.

Wiring is only there to switch on "10" symbol via a bulb behind it in the topbox when the Take Ten feature starts, and to then swith it off at the end of Ten game feature play. (NB: the normal tube to illuminate
the rest of the top artwork is also present on this model,it just has an additional simple bulb behind the ten symbol on the artwork).

From memory:
x3 ten symbols on centre lines pays a token.
As vertical the finger moves, the top of the finger flicks the switch to illuminate the "10" bulb.

At the same time, the finger lifts the gate on the Take Ten feature bonus mechanism to initiate the feature.

This rotates on each play for the next ten plays until a notched section causes the bonus mechanism to reset into normal play. As it does, it also trips the switch to switch off the bulb behind the "10" symbol in the topbox.

On these ten feature plays, the player still has to play a coin but, if any special feature symbol on the centre line of the first reel shows, then a token is dispensed by the usual finger and slide operation. (Most of the first reel symbols are feature symbols, so high payout).

I'm no expert, so please don't believe a word of the above as it's only input. Get advice from all quarters before making any changes or adjustments.

Only change one aspect of the mechanism at one time, where possible, and
take pix or video before making changes, but general advice would be.......

First, check for loose coins, nuts, bolts, washers that could foul the mechanism; loosen mech with paraffin or similar, but protect any vulnerable areas first, e.g. reelstrips/electrical wiring and contacts and the whole coin payout slide area.

GP

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Re: Reels not spinning on Aristocrat Olympic 'Lucky Chance'

Postby whizza » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:44 pm

When the arm is pulled down almost to the point of activating the mechanism, the fingers are clear of the payout discs and all three reels can be turned manually.

What is the purpose of the V shaped bit of metal in this picture? (There is a spring attached to the left hand vertical of the V). This appears to be involved in the mechanism that pulls the fingers clear of the payout discs. Should the tension from this spring, as the arm is pulled, move the V to the right as the circular bit at the top of the V lifts up? It doesn't. The V will move by hand, but is very stiff.
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Re: Reels not spinning on Aristocrat Olympic 'Lucky Chance'

Postby coppinpr » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:16 pm

Yes, the button should reach the top giving extra time before the fingers fall back in place and setting the kicker. The main operating bar is not going the full cycle. Could be many reasons, you need to track it back. Could be simply a worn or bent bracket. One test is to place the blade of a screwdriver between the main operating bar and the plate that raises it, making the bar lift higher, cycle the mech and see if this makes the machine run.

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Re: Reels not spinning on Aristocrat Olympic 'Lucky Chance'

Postby whizza » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:17 pm

What might this lever (circled) be for?
It can be pulled out about 1cm.
Could it be for releasing stuck coins?
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Thanks to everyone for your advice thus far.
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Re: Reels not spinning on Aristocrat Olympic 'Lucky Chance'

Postby coppinpr » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:38 am

I think it's a fan stop. I dont do Arcadians much, so I can't check. Someone will. If it stops the fan and thus the clock from unwinding - very useful during testing, as it would leave the reels free to spin.

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Re: Reels not spinning on Aristocrat Olympic 'Lucky Chance'

Postby andydotp » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:51 am

Only guessing here, but on a few of my Mills machines this wire/rod lever retracts the little tooth (check LH side of mech) when a jam occurs.
On the Mills it's seated at the back of the mech and you pull it to operate it.
Opposite with this Aristo version, as the wire appears 'forward'.
Push and it might work similarly with a swivel the other end.
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Re: Reels not spinning on Aristocrat Olympic 'Lucky Chance'

Postby treefrog » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:23 pm

As Coppinpr says, it stops the fan on the clock to allow you to test payouts, for example, so you can align your win, release the fan while holding the reels in place. I am sure there were other maintenance benefits, but it is useful - saves taking out the mechanism. Not seen this on any other machine/manufacturer.

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Re: Reels not spinning on Aristocrat Olympic 'Lucky Chance'

Postby badpenny » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:40 pm

whizza wrote:When the arm is pulled down almost to the point of activating the mechanism, the fingers are clear of the payout discs and all three reels can be turned manually.

What is the purpose of the V shaped bit of metal in this picture? (There is a spring attached to the left hand vertical of the V). This appears to be involved in the mechanism that pulls the fingers clear of the payout discs. Should the tension from this spring, as the arm is pulled, move the V to the right as the circular bit at the top of the V lifts up? It doesn't. The V will move by hand but is very stiff.
If that V shaped arm is too stiff to tip far enough over to the right in order for the button to stay sat on the top of it then ......
The vertical fingers will make contact with the payout disc of reel one, stopping it from spinning (sneaky feeling of Déjà Vu times 4 here).

Looking at the photo of the back of the mech, the right hand blade of the V shaped arm has a nasty score mark on it. Is it fouling on the spring, thus not travelling far enough to let the button get the top of vertical bot of the V?
Until it gets to sit up there, the vertical fingers won't stay in place allowing the reels to spin.

Also take that spit pin out and clean all the crud off that pivot, then use light oil.

BP

ps .............. vertical bot of the V a science fiction film from the 1970s starring Peter Cushing and Julie Andrews.

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Re: Reels not spinning on Aristocrat Olympic 'Lucky Chance'

Postby malcymal » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:48 am

I had an Aristocrat Esprit where you could pull the handle and the reels would not spin. 1st reel never shifted and, due to gunk, fouled the second and so forth. The third was getting fouled on the payout feelers. The first reel had some teeth worn on its cog, so the kicker just slipped off. I removed the reel bundle, cleaned them all up and experimented with different size washers placed on the right hand side of the reel axle, before placing back in the A frame. Eventually, there was clearance from the feelers, about 1 to 1.5 mm and, because it shifted the first reel and others slightly over to the left, the kicker did not slip as the cog where the kicker made contact had been worn more to the right edge. After this, the reels (made of plastic, so light) whizzed and all was good. It's trial and error with this sort of problem but, when you get it spot on, very satisfying and makes that "oh my god what have I done" type purchase, more justified. Apart from the oil on the wife's table, clothes, carpets, ad infinitum.

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Re: Reels not spinning on Aristocrat Olympic 'Lucky Chance'

Postby whizza » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:29 pm

After a drop of lubricant, the V now appears to be moving properly.

If I put coin in, pull the arm, stop the fan using the fan stop, spin all 3 reels by hand, restart the fan, the bandit appears to work OK.

Just need to locate the bit that is supposed to start the reels spinning automatically.


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