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Komonsteve horse race help

Postby thunder » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:50 pm

Had this part machine for a while. Looks like coin slot releases balls that ran along track left and right side then through hole down track and nudge a horse. I have no case and would appreciate info on what it looks like. I have a horse on a bar that ran in a narrow track. I don't have the part that was in the track. Any help on this? It would be good to see it up and running, if it's worth doing?
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Re: Komon Steve horse race help

Postby coppinpr » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:06 pm

I've seen something like this before, not coin operated I believe. It's a very interesting bagatelle type game. You're missing the case with the ball push and the ball run up the right side. The balls shoot up the side and randomly fall into different holes moving the relevant horse forward. Part of a 1930s craze for home gambling in a small way. Yours would seem to be an arcade model. Well worth restoring.

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Re: Komon Steve horse race help

Postby thunder » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:37 pm

This has a hinged bar on the left and right side which lifts so you can control ball speed, not the sprung type. Would it be a table top machine or on legs would you think?

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Re: Komon Steve horse race help

Postby coppinpr » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:02 am

I'm only guessing because it's so hard to see (more photos please), but I still think your machine had a ball launcher (or a very short billiard cue of about 18" was sometimes used). I think the ball controllers were an attempt to add a skill factor to the ball return.
Pace made a much more advanced machine but still in the same mode as yours. See it at: http://pacificpinball.org/component/content/article/72

No legs I think, as I suspect it was table top or, more likely, bar top, as I see this machine as a small time betting machine in a bar with the bar taking the operating coins as profit.
This could be very rare I think.

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Re: Komon Steve horse race help

Postby gameswat » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:10 pm

Just did a Google search of the name and came up with this interesting bit of info from a 1943 Billboard magazine about high used machine prices in England. komonsteve

And I was interested to see a little lower in the list of games the name Pleasure Island, which is the super rare export version of the 1934 Rockola Worlds series pinball, with a fun fair theme for coutries that didn't follow baseball.
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Re: Komon Steve horse race help

Postby thunder » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:56 pm

Thanks, great help. Found the game instruction panel, unfortunately rust deteriorated. It reads, Place penny in coin slot and push in. Pull lever out fully. Depress lever on left or right side to release game ball. - best i can make out. The balls release at the front bottom on left and right held in with a sprung trap door using the long bar. By lifting the long bars on either side, you can control the ball speed. I can find no other machine that operates in this way.
I've decided to make a ply table top case for the machine and I'll upload pictures as I progress.
Any other info welcome.

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Re: Komonsteve horse race help

Postby pennymachines » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:48 pm

Hi Thunder,

There were a few early racecourse pintables, including the all-mechanical Speedway (D. Gottlieb & Co., Chicago, 1933) with five Bluebird-like cars racing towards the player,
Kings of Turf (H C Evans & Co., Chicago, 1935), with horses electro-mechanically propelled around a circular track, ERBÜ-Rennen (Erich Büttner, Leipzig, 1935), Tura Derby (Tura Automaten, Leipzig, 1935) and IMO-Rennen (Jentzsch & Meerz, Leipzig, 1936), all three of which used clockwork to advance horses towards the player.

Your game was patented by Basil Scuby and George Kettlewell in 1933. It's the first British game of this sort I've seen and the method of using the ball bearings directly to move the horses is novel.
thunder wrote:I've decided to make a ply table top case for the machine and I'll upload pictures as I progress
Before cutting ply, what is the front door made of (visible in your last picture, above)? It doesn't look like ply. I think you should try to match this for the cabinet, preferably sourcing some suitably old timber. Judging by the Cycle Racer cabinet you made, you have the skill to make a great job of it and I think this machine deserves the extra effort.

So here's what you need to study:- 21 pages of detailed description, including 11 pages of technical drawings: Patent GB416494

I really look forward to seeing how it turns out, and don't hesitate to ask our experts if you need more advice. :tarah:
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Re: Komonsteve horse race help

Postby thunder » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:40 pm

Unfortunately, it is a ply front panel, but now you have sent the design which is a plain case, all ply, I think, I will make something that will complement it. Only real problem I can see is how to keep the balls in the case. I thought they ran in the tracks, not on top, as the drawings show.
I guess the slot on the left and right front of the case that holds the launch bars will need to be really tight to stop the ball falling out. I guess that's why the design changed to the flicker type, but this means I've got the mark1 version - result!

The metalwork is in the de-rust soak and I'm thinking of an ebonised guilded case. Pictures of progress to follow.
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Horses needed !PUZZLED!

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Re: Komonsteve horse race help

Postby slotalot » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:19 pm

thunder wrote:Horses needed !PUZZLED!
TESCO meat counter !PUZZLED!

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Re: Komonsteve horse race help

Postby pennymachines » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:35 pm

slotalot wrote:TESCO meat counter !PUZZLED!
:lol:

You mentioned that one horse remained. If you're lucky, it might turn out to be a toy that was available in the '30s and can still be obtained. More likely, you'll need to recast from it. Any idea what metal? Close-up?

I would avoid modern ply, if possible, even if you plan to ebonise and guild it. It doesn't resemble the old stuff. Maybe Gameswat can offer advice on sourcing old ply...


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