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How do you get the reels to spin faster?

Postby markymark » Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:10 pm

Sorry guys it's only me again, I seem to live on these forums...
My current Sega when pulling the handle, seems to lack a certain "kick" to spinning the reels.
Anyone got any experience of this and hints on making the reels spin faster!
On close inspection, lever pulled, the "kicker" shoe thingy (technical term) pulls back then kicks the pay plates to spin the reels... they spin but not really quick like other slots... and almost start to slow / stop before the arms drop against the reel cogs to stop them!
This slot is missing the wire arms that rest against the sides of the reels to slow them (so these are not the problem), the reels appear to spin and rotate freely on the spindle, the spring that puts the tension on the "kicker" arm appears to be OK.
Any ideas where I can look would be grateful...
Thanks.

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Postby badpenny » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:12 pm

Mark ....... you may be suffering from the slotties old enemy dried grease. Slacken off the pivot pins (another technical term) that support the reel assembly in each A frame to take the tension off, try squirting WD40 between the reels and the axle.
Grease should be avoided on slots as it attracts dirt, eventually dries and goes hard.
Did you get the pump you wanted, there were a couple or three on offer?

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thx

Postby markymark » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:52 pm

Thanks for that. I'll give it a good clean. if others have other ideas, much appreciated.
As for the pumps, I decided to leave it without a pump as the handle doesn't bounce back too quickly.. I guess thats what the pump is for, to stop it from crashing back upright!

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Postby badpenny » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:36 am

Other reasons for slow spinning reels that I've stumbled over in my time include a twisted frame, mechs get dropped and it doesn't take a lot of trauma to put undue pressure on the axle.
You wouldn't always spot that by looking at it. Place the mech on a flat surface and see if you can rock it by pressing on a corner.

If it's not too bad you can often get round it by slackening off the various screws and bolts that hold the two ends of the frames in shape. When you've got it true again just grip them back up enough to hold it together.

I'm surprised you didn't buy a pump, you're right they stop the handle from banging back. The last time I bought one I think I paid about £35 and Sunday there was a couple of nice examples cheaper than that.

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Postby margamatix » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:31 pm

Personally I dislike WD40 other than for a "quick fix" and always use light machine oil for lubrication of bandits.

The lightest wipe with a piece of kitchen towel is enough and the general rule I apply is "if you can see oil, then you have used too much".

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Postby badpenny » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:25 pm

I'm recommending WD40 in order to clean out dried up grease and dirt, not as a lubricant!

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Postby margamatix » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:45 pm

My own preferred method is to separate the top and bottom halves of the mechanism, making notes of where the various circlips etc are fitted and then give the bottom half a paraffin wash with a half-inch paintbrush, which removes all of the congealed grease and the swarf which seems to cling to it.

I use a much lighter touch on the top half but the essential thing here is to clean the spindle and the reel liners using paraffin-soaked kitchen towel before lubricating with light machine oil. As ever, if you can see oil after doing this then you have used too much.

Only do this on a mechanical bandit or similar- never oil a pinball machine on the coil plungers.

This is just "what does it for me" and I don't hold myself up as an expert on amusement machines, simply as somebody who has a reasonable knowledge of machinery.

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Re: How do you get the reels to kick / spin faster? Please!

Postby malcymal » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:28 pm

Being a relative newb, I had this problem and found the hints given here were good, e.g. cleaning where the reel break wires sit on the spindle (congealed grease it was too). Gathering info from a Mills service manual i found the following solution worked well for me (being mindful that wrong timings can seriously damage machine). Have you looked at your clock mechanism fan, the bit on the top of the pole that spins around? Is it straight, or have both ends been bent around. If its straight then it produces more drag therefore slowing the reels down (bit like putting your hand out the car window, flat it cuts through wind, upright you get force). If you gently bend it around opposite to the direction the fan travels on both ends then the reels will speed up. Adjust the wheel brake wires accordingly to stop bounce and slipage. My Berkeley had its fan ends bent right around so the reels were very very fast and aggressive, far too quick, ive toned this down by slightly (adjusting each time till i was happy with the motion and sound) the fan and tightening the wheel brake wires.
The jubilee has its fan practically straight so was quite lame and slow, and i noticed that the same fruit occassionally came back to same position on 3 or 4 spins) a slight bend has sped the reels up and it sounds and plays beautifully. The fruits on first reel are now very random as that reel is spinning quicker.

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Re: How do you get the reels to kick / spin faster? Please!

Postby Bent Copper » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:41 pm

I don't understand how adjusting the speed of the clock makes the reels spin any faster or slower. Surely it will only affect the cycle time of the machine. :?

Am I missing something?

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Re: How do you get the reels to kick / spin faster? Please!

Postby JC » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:49 pm

Bent Copper, I'm really glad you posted that, as it's been bugging me too. The reels spin freely and totally indepentently of the clock - so perhaps we're both missing something?


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