Merchandiser transport

[ilovemyjukebox]

I've been to the location and seen the machine you won. It would indeed be very difficult to negotiate its way safely through and out the front door.

I was looking at the Ten Strike and had done a deal to purchase it providing it was working correctly, scoring etc. Unfortunately it wasn't.

The chap had/has a large collection of coin op of every shape and size and he informed me that he had sold a great deal prior to advertising bits on eBay.

His partner was lovely. She was very helpful and tried hard to get sufficient light into a very dark room so that I could see the machine and then tried hard to get it working correctly.

Sorry it didn't work out for you.

[jonesthegarage]

Am I right in saying Ninecup's Merchandiser since appeared on Ebay for £325 with no bids and then again and sold for £411?

Seller's feedback has a very worrying negative about a wasted journey by winning bidder who got there only to find out his machines had been sold to someone else at a more attractive price.

[ninecup]

I am not quite sure what is going on with this seller. I have had many transactions with no problems at all. This I must say was a bit strange.

[treefrog]

Well visited them today, had no issues and just the tail end of machines left as most have gone. I can see the issue in getting big machines in and out and there are some big ones there that would need to be broken....must have had a hell of a collection before most were sold off.....

[jonesthegarage]

my thoughts exactly treefrog, I was also there today and can now see the problem with the merchandiser, thankfully my purchases were much smaller both in size and cost to the cranes and R&W kit they've got left. Jane told me they had sold around 100 machines to a guy with a caravan park and arcade in either Skegness or Scarborough prior to even thinking about ebay.

[moonriver]

I had the misfortune of dealing with this dubious ebay couple. I spent almost 3 hours at their house looking at their large collection of machines and talking about what was for sale. They were hard work in that they couldnt decide and inspecting what I was interested in in detail as they said machines "were fully working" when they really meant they 'WERE' fully working (a long time ago) but some no longer.

Having finally negotiated a price for several machines we shook hands on the deal and I paid a proper deposit and got an itemised receipt and arranged to return 4 days later with a hire van of suitable size.
I collected the van from Salford Van Hire and phoned them on the day en route to confirm my time of arrival, then the excuses started, they said certain machines werent working anymore I guess expecting me to say ok I wont have that one then, then they said "we have really bad news and we wont blame you if you decide not to take any of the machines", when I questioned this they said they had let two of the machines go to someone else.
Obviously having left a sizeable cash deposit with them and having paid up front for the hire van I decided to continue to drive down to Leicester ( from Leeds). I was furious. When I arrived they had sold the 2 best machines in the group and argued that somehow it was my fault in me not having offered them enough. Of course in taking a job lot of machines some a lot better than others and taking the bad with the good its easy for others to come along afterwards cherry pick and pay more for the good ones and leave the others. The whole friendliness of this couple was gone the second time from what I can see theyre happy when getting their own way but in my book once you shake on a deal you stick to it

[ninecup]

Thanks for that Moonriver. I have had several private messages on this one. Thanks for posting this.

[badpenny]

I'm trying to follow this whilst listening to only the experiences of the buyers.
The behaviour of the vendors seems less than honourable.

If you openly advertise something for sale, take deposits and then back out of it for a better offer, to me it indicates greed and a lack of concern for your teeth (allowing for some of the people I know).

Then I read a mention of eBay being involved, so it suddenly becomes clearer. Complain to eBay and get these people dealt with. You can even go to court, others have with a modicum of success.

However, if it was on eBay and a deal entered into outside of it then .... It becomes difficult to level who is being greedy when agreements have been broken right left and centre.

[treefrog]

We are talking about deals outside ebay I suspect. If it gets to a deposit stage then that obviously is wrong. Of course if you had a receipt, you still have rights by the way if you chose to take it. Of course thisthe raises the next challenge, if any of these machines come under the Gambling Commission, would you want to go to a small claims court?

I would say, turn up with right vehicle, always bring lots of cash and have the ability to move the stuff (people/barrows) and you can't go wrong. Once on the back of the van, deal done.... I always bring all these to all collections in case something else turns up

[aristomatic]

It can be a nightmare experience for some and no issues for others when dealing with the same seller. So obviously the no issues buyer sees the seller as a solid seller and may of course vouch for the seller to others personally or via a forum or other social network. I have heard from more than one potential buyer where the machine has been described as fully working when upon collection it has been found that it or they, are obviously not.

I dont think I have seen such a varied collection of machines become available from one source, bearing in mind I have heard the same information that they sold a large number of machines prior to starting to offer machines via ebay. Must have been some collection. I think that that kind of collection would have been ideal for an auction house to remove and offer for sale and remove the seller from the issues of machines fully working or not. It would have been a great opportunity for everyone to have seen and had an opportunity to bid on such a great range of machines. It would have been interesting to see how people would have bid in auction style on them too.

I am sure that the people who did a deal and actually got their machines will be very happy and I do feel for those who almost got them but didn't due to a lack of transparency from the seller.

GP

[john t peterson]

In the United States, the three requirements for an enforceable contract are: the offer, the acceptance and the consideration. With the acceptance of the deposit by the seller, all three were met in this case. There was a valid contract which the sellers broke when they resold the items to another purchaser.

Ebay has given some patrons the idea that no deal is truly complete until the item is picked up. This is false. It leads to the type of conduct described above.

Seeing as our legal system is a direct descendant of English law, I'm fairly certain that the same principles apply in Great Britain.

J Peterson
American Attorney at Law

[jonesthegarage]

You're right John, we would consider "offer and acceptance" a contract but always with the over riding consideration of what was in the contemplation of both parties, i.e. did they know what they were "offering" and "accepting". Of course what we are dealing with in the preceding thread is not the remedy of law but the ethics of the transaction. Aggrieved parties could always seek remedy through law and might meet with some degree of success in a small claims court, but I doubt they will bother to pursue it.

Is the basis of US law not still six guns on a dusty street at noon then?

[john t peterson]

Yes, all too often.

JP

[slotsoffun]

Hi Guys,
Following this thread with interest, but someone shed some light on what a Clown Catchers Merchandiser is???? Also why can no one tell us who this "seller" is so we can avoid being duped! Or PM me.
I feel for the guy who went to the trouble, time and expense of hiring a van only to be told "no deal". It just goes to prove that having a receipt and/or paying a deposit hold no water legally! Well, OK on paper the law states you can't do this or that, but unless you got the time, the money and effort to go through courts etc... I think we just need to be told about unscrupulous sellers on eBay.

[moonriver]

The ebay couple concerned are selling under the name vegasvolt2011. For the record, the machines I negotiated buying from them, paid the deposit, returned with the hire van to find they'd sold the two best ones for more money to someone else, were not items they were listing on ebay. A different listing of theirs made me contact them initially. I have owned and operated inland amusement arcades for over 25 years and so I'm used to dealing with showmen and collectors alike who's word is their bond and a shake of the hand is a deal done (and kept to).

[pennymachines]

someone shed some light on what a Clown Catchers Merchandiser is????

I think there's an apostrophe missing - "Clown Catcher's Merchandiser", i.e. the Rotary Merchandiser that Forum member Clown Catcher won but was unable to collect from vegasvolt2011.

I'm sorry to hear you were let down so badly.

[moonriver]

I hear you collected your merchandiser and took your own guys to get it through the window......great result, I bet the sellers had faces like smacked arses as they were expecting you to give up I think! Even though its a bit of a lump you got a great price

[jonesthegarage]

I noticed the Ruffler and Walker Helicopter started at £1500, went to just over £1700 but was pulled not long before auction end only to re-appear with a £2400 start and £3500 buy it now. As said before, until you've got it in your vehicle it ain't yours where these people are concerned. Well done the merchandiser winner, not my cup of tea but I can see its attraction, especially at that price.

[moonriver]

seems like vegasvolt2011, the dodgy ebay couple who dont like it when folks win their auctions at prices they think are too low have been at it again! I just noticed another negative feedback placed by someone else who won their 'pets show band' working model , and didn't manage to get it from them