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Re: Wulff Jupiter wiring

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:25 pm
by slotalot
badpenny wrote:Any room behind that sofa Stuart?
BP
I am trying to suppress my capacity to get involved this time.....if you know what I mean??... lol. :dammit:

Re: Wulff Jupiter wiring

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:52 pm
by guyblue10
It's doing everything except....stopping....it clunks, whirrs, lights up, spins...goes through a whole cycle then when it's meant to stop and wait for a coin....it starts again, and again and again

As the connector is close to the coin mech I thought maybe it should be connected to a normally closed switch somewhere attached to the mech than opens when a coin passes it.....which would start it going again.....

Without anything connected to it it's open all the time and would explain it's current action (if there's meant to be a switch attached....if you see what I mean)

Re: Wulff Jupiter wiring

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:13 pm
by slotalot
Any chance of a good clear readable photo of the circuit diagram?? might help to sort out what is happening !PUZZLED!

DAM!....getting interested again...lol. :oops:

Re: Wulff Jupiter wiring

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:16 pm
by guyblue10
Thanks. Here's the diagram and a close up of the connector next to the mech
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In the bottom left of the diagram there's a munze (coin) operated switch, but there's no switch attached to anywhere on the mech...and a connector that goes nowhere in the perfect place for the connector to be, should it be going to a switch attached to the mech....brilliant logic, I think you'll agree.... !!IDEA!!

Except that the diagram shows a normally open switch which screws up my theory......!

Re: Wulff Jupiter wiring

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:15 pm
by slotalot
I think you are correct in your thinking, the terminal will be for the coin switch, the coin switch needs to be a normally open switch, when a coin is put into the machine the switch will close, the coin is held in position manually keeping the switch closed until the motor starts to turn, once cam Number 1 closes contacts b & d the coin is ejected and the machine should run on to complete a full cycle.

Have you tried shorting the white & yellow wires in the terminal block together to make the machine start its cycle? DO THIS WITH CARE AS THEY ARE 240 VOLTS you should only need to short them together for a few seconds until the motor turns cam 1 enough to make contacts b & d close.
give it a try and let me know how you get on?? and remember BE CAREFULL! :oops:

Cleaned up the photo.

Re: Wulff Jupiter wiring

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:45 pm
by guyblue10
Aaah...no - you speed read a bit a bit of my post I think....my problem is that the machine is constantly running - it never stops - the motor turns through the whole cycle then when it gets to the end of the rotation (where it should stop waiting for the coin operated switch to detect a coin) it just carries on as if the switch were made

Just put a meter across the yellow and white wires and it's an open circuit - so they're not shorted somewhere further in..

Re: Wulff Jupiter wiring

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:48 pm
by daveslot
heres a pic of the coin mech section

Re: Wulff Jupiter wiring

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:52 pm
by slotalot
guyblue10 wrote:....my problem is that the machine is constantly running - it never stops
OK, it sounds like you have permanent contact on cam 1 ?? The switch on cam 1 should be open when cam 1 is in its rest position.
I have isolated the area of the wiring diagram where you need to be looking, as your machine is missing the capacitors on the mains input it is "possible" that the contacts might have sparked and welded them self's shut???
NB. Cam No 1 is the one next to the motor..

Re: Wulff Jupiter wiring

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:13 pm
by daveslot
daveslot wrote:I think this question been asked before but I can't find the answer. What's the purpose of this section? Can it be bypassed? How is the terminal block wired to the mains? :zapa: Is there enough info in photo?
I didn't get anywhere when I first asked this question. I presume these are capicators used in this case as suppressors !PUZZLED! or maybe surge protectors. I have acquired a large amount of e/m games, some I have never seen before, and would love to see them working again. On some of the games this section is present and on others missing, even though they are similar games, so can it be bypassed. To answer bp, the plug goes directly to a transformer.

Re: Wulff Jupiter wiring

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:12 am
by glittering-prize67
guyblue10 wrote:This is my Jupiter....and answers at least one of your questions...
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Could I trade you for a picture of the area around the coin mech showing connections to any switches/wires?
The gizmo on the left side where the power comes in is just a suppressor to stop the motors etc. interfering with other appliances. It will work without, but better with. I would also replace those paper caps. They are bound to be knackered after all that time. I did have one years ago but can't really remember much about the inside. I do believe it's a live chassis though - keep fingers out when switched on.