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Re: Another Electro-mechanical giant to identify!

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Hi Potless, I think you will find that with most electro-mechanical machines of this age nothing was left to chance - somewhere in the circuit there will be something either mechanical or electrical that "sets" the odds in favor of the operator. That said, some machines could be worked out if you stood and watched them long enough, though in the old days you would be kicked out of the arcade for trying to beat the system. I have quite a few Jamieson wall machines that are controlled by old GPO relays. They have a 50 position uniselector inside that moves round one place each time a penny is put in, and out of those 50 positions only 5 or 6 are payouts, which of course means that the other 44/45 will never pay out anything. That said, when playing the machine the punter thinks it is all down to their skill when they miss a payout by one or two places... :tarah:
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The reason I ask about the odds is because I have a Royal Ascot wall machine, and there is definitely some skulduggery going on when bets are placed. There is some part of the circuit which detects when a 1/- bet has been made, and alters the outcome accordingly in favour of the operator. When betting on 1/-, you will often see the LOST sign light up, then immediately afterwards, the 1/- light will be on for just a split second, before the next play cycle! Very clever, but very devious too.
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Slotalot's picture of the top box - assuming randomness pays out 67.5% and at this percentage I would think there is no 'fiddle' going on. Potless, you could well be right about your Royal Ascot though as Jamiesons Top Dog is similar in that it rarely lands on the hare (12d) when bet on but lands on it frequently when not bet on. This is not just 'gamblers fallacy' but is borne out by marking the winning positions on the rotary switch when in attract mode and then all of a sudden the 12d positions are lessened when you bet. Another person has one of these and has noted the same results so we came to the conclusion that there is a little man hidden inside changing things around. ;-)
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Back to my question - anyone who can identify the line of bandits in the background of the flyer I posted? They almost look like one of those German machines. !PUZZLED!
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Have to admit, I am at a loss as to what they are - they look like they could be from the Art Deco period judging by their shape.

It might be worth re-posting this query under a new heading, to see if the bandit enthusiasts have any ideas....
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They look like the German "Merkur" bandit below
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Well spotted Tom, I think you're right.

I've never seen one in the flesh, has anyone here?
Better still anybody got one? I'd love to see inside.

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Very similar in style to that machine your after in Aus....

Mr Console as per the below thread had one, and the one pictured was in the states, so guess they are around. Would appeal to me, like the curves

Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits
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They were linked to Mills the same way as Tura were. I bet the mechs are similar.

I like curves as well, but that's a different forum all together.
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Re: Geo Joyce & Sons Ltd. ABC Belfrute identified

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My uncle was Robert Miller of Millers Multislots of Whitley Bay. I’d love more information about any of their machines. My dad used to deliver them all over the UK in a Morris pick up.

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