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Re: Question for the experts, on automatic payout allwin

Postby wembleylion » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:40 pm

Hi Scottie,

Clearly the teeth are part of a ratchet system that controls the carousel and moves it around.

However the problem is complicated by the fact that in Mr PM’s photo the long horizontal lever, at the top of the door, is missing, as is the ratchet lifting arm that drops down from it to the right hand side of the toothed wheel. Also missing in your (Scottie's) photo, I think, is a connecting link goes to from the above horizontal lever to the small lever in the top of the coin chute.

I think that as the coin drops in the chute it lowers the horizontal lever thus lifting the drop arm to ratchet the toothed wheel around one tooth so that the coin can fall into an empty slot in the carousel.

On Mr PM’s photos the horizontal bar that runs across immediately above the carousel is missing on your (Scottie's) photo. I think this bar acts as a backstop for the toothed wheel ratchet and plays a part in the pay-out mechanism by moving the drop arm away from the toothed wheel so allowing the carousel to drop back one slot and effect a pay-out. There is a pin on the back of the horizontal bar and the drop arm's bracket is slotted for this to happen.

If you look closely at Mr PM’s top two photos you will see that there are two other missing teeth; one at the top where the coins enter the carousel from the coin chute and one at the bottom just to the right of the weight.

I think the reason for the missing tooth next to the weight is that when all the slots are full the carousel needs to stop with the bypass coin chute aligned, so the coins go into the cash box, without the drop arm continually trying to drive the toothed wheel around. A missing tooth is a very simple way to achieve this. The other two gaps, I think, are also do with stopping the carousel at ether end of its travel and / or for effecting a pay-out but without being able to see the mech. behind the aluminium carousel cover I can't be sure..

Apologies for the overlong explanation but I hope this helps.

John
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Re: Question for the experts, on automatic payout allwin

Postby pennymachines » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:04 pm

That's right John - the "missing" brass teeth are absent for the reasons you surmised.

The left tip of the long pivoting arm which is missing in Scottie's picture, and against which the inserted penny falls, would be easy to replace but care must be taken to preserve balance on the arm. There's some counterweight adjustment on the other end of it.

The quality of the tooth repair on the casting is difficult to judge from the tiny pictures but I've known repairs on these which looked good but proved unsatisfactory and eventually failed.

Pictures of the complete mechanism with diagrams are in the aforelinked Arena article.

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Re: Question for the experts, on automatic payout allwin

Postby wembleylion » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:18 pm

Oh dear; or words to that effect! I wish I had seen the description in Arena and Treefrog's link; it would have saved me an hour's typing. :cry:

The Melvyn Wright link is brilliant. B.M.Co. AUTOMATIC PAYOUT ALLWINS

John
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Re: Question for the experts, on automatic payout allwin

Postby pennymachines » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:29 pm

:lol: But it's more fun to work it out yourself isn't it? !THUMBS!

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Re: Question for the experts, on automatic payout allwin

Postby wembleylion » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:35 pm

Certainly is Mr PM; I really enjoy these type of mechanical puzzles and I 'Take my hat off' at those who designed them in the first place.

John

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Re: Question for the experts, on automatic payout allwin

Postby scottie » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:53 pm

wow ok I think I got it.
missing teeth ok
would I be right saying I am missing 2 parts or is it 3
its the arm right above the carousel and another arm connected to the right hand side of the previous mention
I think I could make a arm or two
thank you wembleylion and mr P.M
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Re: Question for the experts, on automatic payout allwin

Postby scottie » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:52 pm

I just went to the Melvyn Wright web site (I am not a home right now so I have high speed internet)...
I saw the automatic payout article on the B M co ,,,great description,,,,pictures,,, and even video ...
kind of makes one think, how someone could come up with a idea like that 60 to 70 years ago and design it and build it...no electronics , no computer,...love it....100 percent mechanical...
once again !WORSHIPFULL!
\thank-you
p.s I will let you know how it goes..
scottie

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Re: Question for the experts, on automatic payout allwin

Postby gameswat » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:23 pm

scottie wrote:
Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:52 pm
p.s I will let you know how it goes..
Pm asked the same question a year ago.....................!PUZZLED! :!?!:

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Re: Question for the experts, on automatic payout allwin

Postby scottie » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:19 am

And your point is ,,,,,,,,

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Re: Question for the experts, on automatic payout allwin

Postby gameswat » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:38 am

Well you asked a lot of questions about that non working machine in the US and then clearly said you would tell us how your deal went, but never another word about it!?!? :burp: :burp: :burp: :burp: :burp:


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