Jubilee 3 reel bundle problem

[coppinpr]

If the only payout failing is the two coin and if both 2 coin combinations are failing it pretty much has to be the problem OB and the others have mentioned. In case it's not clear what causes this, I'll work through it step by step (it's hard to get your head round a slot mech at first, I know).

The problem is most likely one of two things:
(1) The reel bundle is sitting too far to the left when viewed from the front, or
(2) There is a problem with spacing between the payout discs, although this second one is less likely.

As OB says, the fingers that work the 2 payout are the only ones doing two jobs (the 2 and the 4 payouts). When the vertical finger comes forward to pay a 2 coin it passes through the first payout disc and hits the second, a movement of about 1cm. If it's going to pay the 4 coin, the hole in the second disc will also line up allowing the finger to go through both discs (a movement of about 3cm). This causes the lower finger to move further, tripping a second 2 coin slide along with the first.

So the most likely reason for the fail is that the reel bundle is too far to the left, allowing the finger to move too far when paying 2, and thus tripping the second slide, or, less likely, the gap between discs one and two is too great, also allowing the finger to go too far when trying to pay 2.
The least likely option (and this is not really an option but is worth checking) is that the second disc has been altered and has been drilled to allow a 4 pay on a 2 combo. This is easily checked by setting up a 2 win and looking to see if the finger goes through one disc or two. If two, then the disc has been changed and the extra hole needs to be filled in.

Can we see a photo of fingers and payout discs following a 2 payout?

[coppinpr]

From what it says on the front of your machine, three Concords in a row pays a variable jackpot up to 100 coins; three Concords anywhere in the window pays 10. A photo with the door open would help us to see.

[badpenny]

If three Concordes anywhere in the window pays 10, then ensuring the reels are in the right order is easy.
On each of the payout reels each Concorde will match a slot for below another for being on line and a third for above the line.

So look for three slots in succession on each disc and the middle one will be Concorde on the line.

[greg1]

One step forward two back. It's now paying out 12 coins on the jackpot which I think could be if the jackpot tubes are empty, and 10 on all the other Concord combos, but now it does not pay out on bells plums or oranges. When one of the fingers go through all the discs another one will also go through the first disc. Can anyone post pictures of the correct position of the disc and payout fingers for the bells, plums, oranges please.

[coppinpr]

Can anyone post pictures of the correct position of the disc and payout fingers for the bells, plums, oranges please.

Well actually..no, things vary a lot between machines. Photos of our machines might help or they might do more harm than good. Usually the payouts get higher the further you get from the edge of the disc. What we need is photos of your discs when the reels say 3 bells and 3 plums, etc. The jackpot could be working right if, as you say, the jackpot is empty. The "anywhere in the window" will pay from slides and the "jackpot" will pay from the jackpot unit, but until we can see a photo with the door open we can't say what jackpot unit we have here. We need photos (we love photos).

[aristomatic]

Whenever Greg gets his internet back.... it may be of more benefit for him to tell us where he is and hopefully he is close to someone who could offer to help him with his issue or if he can wait till the Coventry auction? You may be lucky and there's a lovely fully working Jubilee Concorde in the auction? You could swap the mechanism for yours whilst no one's looking. If you are near or passing Manchester.. I can bash it with my trusted pliers to within an inch of its life free of charge and hopefully have it sorted for you.

GP

[greg1]

The machine pays out 12 coins + one of the jackpot tubes on 3 Concords, I have lined up the holes in the disc which pays out the Concords then lined up the reel strips, but when I forced the jackpot payout they did not line up. I have not secured the reel strips, so it may be possible they moved while spinning. Also, I'm a bit confused - in an earlier post it said the nearer the hub, the bigger the payout. The last post says the further away from the hub, the higher the payout? I have added pictures. If someone can look and tell me if nearer or further away from the hub pays out the largest amount? If I set the reel strips with the jackpot payout, will all the other payouts also be in line?

[badpenny]

..... as I believe I said in an earlier post ......(perhaps I didn't - or it only made sense to me )

Line up those three discs with the three slots for the Concorde jackpot in line with the correct vertical finger and then look at the window. If you don't see 3 Concordes on the win line then the reel strips have been moved and need realigning.

[coppinpr]

Usually the payouts get higher the further you get from the edge of the disc.

I think you will find this is the same as the earlier post - the nearer the centre the higher the payout.

It LOOKS like the three Concords in a row slot is the one above the triple slot (which is the "anywhere in the window" payout). You need to get the correct finger to go through that single slot and the same slot in the other two discs, then while it is locked in that position, line up the reel strips so the three Concords show in the payout window at the front. Note that this only works if there is only one Concord on each strip.


This is the same as what BP is trying to say but he has trouble with long words like disc and gets confused. He even spelt Concord in the French way.

[greg1]

thanks coppinpr think its just clicked, what I need to do, will give this a ago at the weekend, and let you know, to be honest with people hitting the machine with a sledge hammer and bashing things with pliers I thought I would have to try a forum for the lower classes, but at last found someone on the same wave length, being a novice things take time to get through, so thanks for your time and patience.

[operator bell]

You can see where the fingers fall from the grease tracks on the disk. I marked the tracks - as you can see there's an orange hole either side of the concord hole, matching the #1 reel strip. For some reason, three concords also matches two cherries! It won't make any difference to the payout because the 2-4 slides go anyway.

[badpenny]

What did I get wrong with disc Paul? .... it is one of the bigger words in my vocabulary I admit.

As for the theme of the machine and how it's spelt .....

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[raj]

I think we have made a bit of a mountain out of this post. If I remember far enough back, the isssue was 1 cherry pays as 2. Either the the reel axle rod is clamped up too tight, forcing the reel bundle too close to the payout levers, or the vertical cherry arm has been bent to overcome some other problem. The rest is just a bit too much information, in my view.

[badpenny]

I remember you wisely suggesting the axle of the bundle having too much play allowing the fingers to travel too far.
Has that been ruled out?

[coppinpr]

As for the theme of the machine and how it's spelt

After a production delay of almost 4 weeks British aerospace caved in and agreed to add the "E" to the name that had been agreed over a year before. I, however, never agree with the French on principle. As for "Disc" ... I was only kidding

Raj,
I'm not quite sure myself but I THINK we have moved on to a new problem as it seems the reel strips are indeed loose on the reels.

[greg1]

Please guys don't fall out (unless you can supply pictures). You have all helped me get a little closer to solving my problem, thanks.

[badpenny]

If three Concordes anywhere in the window pays 10, then ensuring the reels are in the right order is easy.
On each of the payout reels each Concorde will match a slot for below another for being on line and a third for above the line.

So look for three slots in succession on each disc, line them up against the correct finger and the middle one will be Concorde on the line.

Then look at the window and move the symbols to reflect what the discs are indicating.

BP
ps ... we're not falling out, we each sit at the same table for dinner at the Home For The Confused in Great Chatteringtons-in-the-Marsh. Coppin criticises the sausages and Raj eats all the slices of gravy whilst I scratch my meat and two veg.

[coppinpr]

BP's meat and two veg is only child's portion.

[greg1]

I've not had much time this weekend. I have taken three pictures on jackpot payout. Working from left to right, finger 1 to 6, 1 is paying out Concords in any position, and 2 is the jackpot payout. This triggers the payout slides plus one of the two jackpot tubes, but if you look at picture 2, the 6 finger is over the cherry payout hole but not engaging. Picture 3 shows the lower finger slide preventing this. Is this what should happen? I have left the reel strips loose so I can adjust them but, before I secure them, I need to know if this sequence is OK, or do I have more problems I need to rectify first? I have just forced the jackpot to payout and now the 6 finger is going through disc 1 and 2 and not as shown in the photo. Sorry for any confusion.

[coppinpr]

It is a little confusing, but that doesn't mean we won't get there in the end. When you say you have "forced a jackpot", do you mean you have set up the reels to cause a jackpot to pay out? If so, is the amount correct? As your jackpot appears, from what you have said earlier, to be the contents of one tube plus an amount of coins paid by slides, then the 6 finger going through may well be part of the total coin payout. Can we please please see a photo of the jackpot, a full width photo of the lower part of the machine, with the door open, from the front, just so we know the system in use here.

If the jackpot paid correctly, and you have the reels locked in the jackpot payout position, set the reel strips NOW. Then it's easy to set up all the other payouts in the same way and check the amounts are correct.
You say the jackpot has two "tubes" and the payout releases one of them - does the system then switch to the second one ready for the next jackpot payout? Is the jackpot hand filled or auto filled?

Just to show why it can be confusing here is a photo of a Jubilee of mine. Does it look like yours? From what you say, I doubt it.