Bryans allwin anti-bounce unit identified

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Re: Bryans allwin anti tilt device

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That's odd. I'm not sure that tilting a Ten Cup would offer any advantage.
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Re: Bryans allwin anti tilt device

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pennymachines wrote:I'm not sure that tilting a Ten Cup would offer any advantage
I would agree and believe that the actual advantage was to enhance sales appeal over competitors, as I believe his variable pressure unit was as well. His VPU would not in reality eliminate the likelihood of a predictable repeat ball trajectory, but nevertheless great for a sales pitch.

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Re: Bryans allwin anti tilt device

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I have a Fivewin with the so-called anti tilt device, and I agree with Arrgee, that this is another feature of Bryans allwins that was next to useless. I think I've said it before on this forum, that Bryans allwins are unnecessarily overly complicated and that much of the design makes them not particularly reliable.
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Re: Bryans allwin anti tilt device

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In the latter years of allwin production I guess there was an incentive for Mr Bryan to put his inventive mind to adding something extra, but I'm not convinced this device reliably blocks a payout when tilted. When tested, the momentum of a winning ball was enough to flip the device back to its un-tilted position. Makes me wonder if Jim Bryan (not William) came up with it. Jim designed the Double Top (at least that's what he told me), the mechanism of which makes extensive use of gravity tilted balance levers.

My personal experience with Bryans games (albeit in a home environment) is that they're significantly more reliable than most. The Gapwin was one of my first and it never jams or misses a beat. Likewise the Payramid. The mechanisms are tolerant and robust, with odd exceptions, like the air pump valve in the Hidden Treasure, which is affected by temperature, humidity etc. These were tried around the same time in the States (equally unsuccessfully) as a silent alternative to the geared air-vane timer (clock). Bryans never used it again.
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Re: Bryans allwin anti tilt device

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JC wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:24 am I have a Fivewin with the so-called anti tilt device, and I agree with Arrgee, that this is another feature of Bryans allwins that was next to useless. I think I've said it before on this forum, that Bryans allwins are unnecessarily overly complicated and that much of the design makes them not particularly reliable.
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Re: Bryans allwin anti tilt device

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I have just noticed that an original Bryans leaflet describing the use of the Anti Tilt device has just been posted on Melvyn Wrights Bryan's website. Thanks to John Cottrell who shared this. It is referred to as Anti-Bounce Modification.

http://www.melright.com/bryans/flyers.htm
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Re: Bryans allwin anti tilt device

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That's interesting and makes more sense now. So it's to prevent cheats from obtaining "free" payouts by delivering a sharp blow to the front panel.
Can anyone confirm how well it works?
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Re: Bryans allwin anti-bounce device identified

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BadPenny,

Would you please go over to Mr. PennyMachines's castle and bang on the front of one of his Bryans machines for us?

Thank you.

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Re: Bryans allwin anti-bounce device identified

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No need to rush BP. I have just disabled the device on my elevenses and done plenty of banging on the front both whilst on and off the wall, tilting the machine too. No free payouts for me. :cry: When in situ the unit has the correct operation but it seems like it was ten bob's worth of nothing.
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Re: Bryans allwin anti-bounce device identified

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Now I'm confuddled ..... do I, or don't I?
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