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Re: brenner ball past the arrow colour ?

Postby widget2k4 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:58 am

badpenny wrote:No way am I having my coffin painted black, gloss, matt or emulsion ..... I was thinking EEZY WIN fiberglass Red.
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Re: brenner ball past the arrow colour ?

Postby badpenny » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:24 am

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Re: Brenner Ball Past the Arrow colour?

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Re: Brenner Ball Past the Arrow colour?

Postby pennymachines » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:37 pm

I believe Gameswat is right - the factory finish for the Ball Past the Arrow appears to be black, and although you see many that aren't (as below), they've probably been stripped and refinished.

Here's a technique for ebonizing a cabinet while preserving the woodgrain. I used this on the outer case of a Sky Jump and would probably try the same if re-finishing a Brenner Arrow.

Ingredients required: vinegar, rusty iron and sodium bicarbonate to neutralize once the wood is dark enough. This website more or less describes the technique: http://www.joewoodworker.com/ruststain.htm
Basically you make a solution of soluble iron acetate which reacts with the tannic acid in the oak, dramatically darkening it. I didn't use steel wool, just lots of rusty screws and nails (I have plenty) soaked for a week in spirit vinegar. Because this darkens the wood itself and doesn't involve painting a layer of stain or paint over the top, the grain pattern remains visible. I would finish by brushing on a heated oil varnish, rub off with cloth and repeat.

The Skill Fun had an exceptionally long production run and I've seen at least four different backflashes on them. The earliest machine had a separate knob on the left which you had to turn to set the arrow. (This one also had a black finish). I think the flash without the numbers was the last version. I guess it was redesigned to eliminate confusion caused when players thought the numbers indicated payouts (they actually represent the rather vague concept of "number of chances to win").
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Re: Brenner Ball Past the Arrow colour?

Postby widget2k4 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:30 pm

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Re: Brenner Ball Past the Arrow colour?

Postby gameswat » Sun May 01, 2016 6:21 am

I found some photos of the first machine I restored showing as found and with the top layer of paint removed. The wood was clearly stained black originally and then this example overpainted in black. And that outer layer of black was definitely laid on at a later time because it covered over the original blue vertical pinstriping. Restored this a long time ago so my memory is vague but I try to keep things as original as possible so it's most likely I re-stained the wood black and then laid a fine coat of clear lacquer over that to seal. But either way you can quite easily see the wood grain showing through in both these pictures. I use Feast Watson Prooftint stains and the black is jet black once applied. Unless you want to thin before use or wipe back with thinners after applying to fade and bring out the grain some more.
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Paint removed showing stained oak.

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Re: Brenner Ball Past the Arrow colour?

Postby gameswat » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:04 pm

Great call on the vinegar/rust ebonizing solution PM! I'd only ever removed the accidental outcome of rust blackening to oak in the past. Absolutely awesome process. I'd previously stripped and black stained this case and then thin coated to seal, but wasn't 100% happy with the outcome this time as the black was quite patchy. A good alcohol or oil stain won't foul the grain in any way if it's rubbed back afterwards. I think the age of the oak and the fact it'd had so many things painted over it meant the stain wouldn't take anywhere near as well as on freshly resurfaced wood. I rarely if ever use sandpaper on the surface of original cases if at all possible, just very fine steel wool when stripping, as I want to keep as much honest patina as possible. Never been an issue before as I rarely ever have to stain a case a solid colour like this. I found 3 coats of the ebonizing solution gave me a much deeper and more substantial blackening effect, though still not 100% black, which is exactly what I wanted. There are still sections of grain slightly showing through where there was less tannin in the wood to turn black. This suits me fine as I want the case to look aged, faded and not brand new. The grain showing through is not as easy to see normally, much more pronounced under the camera flash or a very bright light. I image this is very likely to be the way Brenner originally stained these cases as it was by far the cheapest way possible and quite common back in those days. The effect on brand new cut oak would have been absolutely jet black! Without a seal the solution leaves the wood looking greyish. I sealed with two thinnish coats of shellac so the grain is still prominent, then rubbed down with #0000 steel wool to a dull satin.
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With 2 x coats of iron solution, some grain is still showing light grey. I ended up brushing a little black alcohol stain over that section to even it out.
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Case finished after 3 x coats of solution and then 2 x thin coats of shellac to seal.
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Non flash photo of grain.
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Some grain showing under camera flash.

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Re: Brenner Ball Past the Arrow colour?

Postby pennymachines » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:33 pm

Looks so much better than black paint. !!THUMBSX2!!


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