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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice

Postby badpenny » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:22 pm

ls14garlo wrote:The mech is forced to a two coin win, cherries, and it did everything it should barring pay out so have I been pi$$ing in the wind all this time?
If that incorporates the vertical finger that is short, then I'd say undoubtedly a problem. I imagine it's not touching the bottom horizontal finger?

However that would only affect the cherry payout, all of the others must also deflect the bottom Horizontal Fingers to allow the coins above the bottom slide to drop through.

Do any of the vertical fingers reach to the bottom horizontal one? If not there's your problem.

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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice

Postby ls14garlo » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:35 pm

Yeah Bp, they all reach, apart from the 3rd one. I know it's not rocket science but it's frustrating the he'll out of me.... I need to leave it for a while methinks and just start polishing up the other Jubilee!! We're going to Skeg-Vegas in a couple of weeks so I might see if I can sneak the mech in the car and sweet talk the missus and I'll have a cheeky drive to Lincoln? !!THUMBSX2!!??

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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice

Postby aristomatic » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:28 pm

Move all 3 reels so the £1 win is on the centre reels then check which of the vertical fingers has a hole in the steel plate in front of it. You can do this with all the other win combinations so you can identify which vertical finger is responsible for which win combination. Generally, the vertical finger at rear of the mech will be cherries then moving forward to the front will be oranges then plums and again in general higher win combinations towards the front.

Once you have visibility which vertical finger is responsible for each win combination then you can follow each identified vertical finger to the base of the finger. If you compare the lower tip of each of the vertical fingers you should be able to visually see how each finger is cut out to trigger the different numbers of horizontal slides to match the payouts on the award card and see if the vertical fingers in the current position will release the correct number of slides at the bottom.

It looks like the £1 vertical finger may be the short one? e.g. the third one as when the jackpot is won it's only paying a single pound coin from the solenoid so that
vertical finger doesn't need to release any of the slides it just needs to move the switch where your wires go down the side of the mechanism?
Remember the vertical finger for the cherry payout is different to all the others as it's responsible for releasing one slide on one cherry payout and two slides on two cherry win.

Of course none of the above gets you to where you need to be but gives you the general knowledge to understand the interaction of the levers involved etc. Just confirm that when you cycle the machine that all 3 reels spin fine and stop in turn. Also that slides are free to move, e.g. not screwed down too tight at top cover.

Don't worry, this will be firing on all cylinders soon enough, well the minor awards up to 20p wins at least.

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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice

Postby titanic » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:36 pm

ls14garlo wrote:Payout slides removed and polished up (and kept in order)... Problem now is, it's not paying out. I've forced a few different wins and it seems the slides "jump" forward when the cycle is happening and stay forward. When they jump forward about 8 coins drop out (I have to release the horizontal fingers to let the slides spring back.
I had a very similar problem to this after I had removed the payout slides. It turned out after replacing the slides, I had put the top plate back on (the one that holds the coin chute in place) the screw holes in it where oval shaped. I had fitted it too far back. By loosening the 4 screws and pulling the plate forward solved the payout problem. The top plate was stopping the arm behind the slides that pushes them forward from fully pushing them forward. It was making the slides jump forward instead of fully holding them all the way forward while cycling. Might be worth a look at?

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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice

Postby treefrog » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:45 pm

The other thing that affects the slide release is the timing. There are threads on this and it may be a very minor adjustment to the dog may help.

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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice

Postby ls14garlo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:52 am

!!CHEERS!! Wow... Thanks for those explanations and ideas. I'll have a look but I've started stripping the other Jubilee down now to give me a break. The other one looks like it's had its mechanism restored (it's the first time I've even opened it).

Most of it looks almost new, it just needs a good clean...The case has been re-painted quite badly, it's covered in runs but it'll be like new after I've finished.

I've been in touch with the chap I got the Jubilees from - they belonged to his father-in-law who passed 5 years ago and spent his last year's buying and "restoring" old coin-ops. It was him who took the Riviera apart and it hadn't paid out since... He also painted the case of the other! That might explain why I've been having these problems, someone trying to make things better has actually made it worse, with all good intentions.

They are getting rid of a Wurlitzer jukebox as well that he took apart and rebuilt but didn't ensure he knew what went where and now even though it plays, everything is mixed up. Not tricky to sort out - just needs the records to be in the right slots to match the selection panel, but it gives you an idea of what happens when you don't keep a record of what you're doing when stripping something to rebuild it.....

I need to try and work out that everything's right before I go any further so a big thank-you Aristomatic and Titanic for explaining all that and the tip regarding the plate. It''s these little problems that you would never know about if someone doesn't share them. I'll post back when I've had a look (I'll have to read it several times first though lol).....

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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice

Postby coppinpr » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:13 am

I think you're over complicating this. I don't think there is much wrong so don't start moving things around just yet. I'm sure Aristomatic is right about the short finger. It's been sawn off when the conversion was done - that's why the end is rusty. Set up wins as suggested; if it don't pay, try moving the various fingers and slides and see if it then pays. It's as if the slides are not being retained during the cycle check - the slide brake is cutting in and holding them back.

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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice

Postby ls14garlo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:50 am

I'm sure I'm complicating it as well ha ha... I've looked at it that much now I've done my own head in!
I've had a lightbulb moment though - I've stripped the Cop A Lot to polish everything and I'm going to re-paint it in its original blue (I think) so I've got both mechanisms out. I'll just get them side by side and compare them. If there's something different about the problematic one I should be able to spot it? !!IDEA!!

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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice

Postby aristomatic » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:21 pm

Nothing wrong in getting a similar mechanism side by side that's working fully to try to see any differences to identify on the non-working one where a part is missing broken or different tension etc. It may be a good idea next time you post to confirm what you believe is working and try to answer the questions that have been raised previously in the thread. so that if you don't resolve all the issues, then some posters will, by your answers be able to discount some of the possible issues/solutions and get you closer to the finish line.

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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice

Postby ls14garlo » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:01 pm

I've checked both mechanisms against each other and I can't see any visible differences or anything broken * BUT * There is a distinct difference in the timing of the sounds they make, notably the coin slides.... With the last two stops it does as the clock winds down, on the mechanism that won't pay, it's slides pop back almost at the same time as the penultimate clank, if that makes sense.... Will it be the timing? The wedge shaped block on the "business" side is at least 2mm further forward than the good one. Is that the dog? I hope I'm onto something here ha ha.... I'll put a photo on of both for comparison... The good one has the drop of oil on....
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