Riviera Cashcendo advice
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If the lights are working then I suppose the blown fuse is likely to be the solenoid.
Lights are usually 3 amp, so go down your local B&Q and get a card of fuse wire ( of course we'll need to give some thoughts to what blew it in the first place, but it might have been some numpty prodding around with a screwdriver)
As to the failure to pay out anything.
Stop the cycle as you have learnt so the reels are spinning loose .... remove the mechanism and take a photo of the back of it, then shove it on here.
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Lights are usually 3 amp, so go down your local B&Q and get a card of fuse wire ( of course we'll need to give some thoughts to what blew it in the first place, but it might have been some numpty prodding around with a screwdriver)
As to the failure to pay out anything.
Stop the cycle as you have learnt so the reels are spinning loose .... remove the mechanism and take a photo of the back of it, then shove it on here.
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Right then, I'm back... I've sorted the fuse wire and the earth out... Now for the payout. Here's some photos and now I've noticed a couple of things:
A couple of the springs to return the payout slides were mixed up (wrapped round each other) and the slides were stuck in the "out" position so I've released them. As I did, about 6 coins fell out. The slides are rusty and not moving smoothly. Should I remove them and give them a light oil? (I know to keep them in the correct order).
The other thing is (1st and 4th photos), the saw-toothed gears with the slots in are not evenly spaced and one seems very slightly to not be running true. There's also a lot of scratching on the reels where the vertical fingers have been rubbing against the outer gear, instead of finding the slots.
There's also some small steel plates that have been soldered across some of the slots that the fingers would drop into to create a win (something an op would've done to stop bigger payouts?)
Am I right in thinking that over the years it's been tampered with to the point of it's most likely all out of sync by now?
The reels are set on a forced win of 10 coins (3 oranges) so the horizontal fingers should be in whichever slots coincide with 3 oranges, not just sat up against the gear? If anyone needs any more specific pictures, just let me know... Thanks in advance my coin-op friends!! By the way, I'm sticking with three machines, I'm happy with my lot....(for now?)
A couple of the springs to return the payout slides were mixed up (wrapped round each other) and the slides were stuck in the "out" position so I've released them. As I did, about 6 coins fell out. The slides are rusty and not moving smoothly. Should I remove them and give them a light oil? (I know to keep them in the correct order).
The other thing is (1st and 4th photos), the saw-toothed gears with the slots in are not evenly spaced and one seems very slightly to not be running true. There's also a lot of scratching on the reels where the vertical fingers have been rubbing against the outer gear, instead of finding the slots.
There's also some small steel plates that have been soldered across some of the slots that the fingers would drop into to create a win (something an op would've done to stop bigger payouts?)
Am I right in thinking that over the years it's been tampered with to the point of it's most likely all out of sync by now?
The reels are set on a forced win of 10 coins (3 oranges) so the horizontal fingers should be in whichever slots coincide with 3 oranges, not just sat up against the gear? If anyone needs any more specific pictures, just let me know... Thanks in advance my coin-op friends!! By the way, I'm sticking with three machines, I'm happy with my lot....(for now?)
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Remove, polish and clean, but don't lubricate the slides. I'll leave your other questions to the bandit experts...ls14garlo wrote:The slides are rusty and not moving smoothly. Should I remove them and give them a light oil?
ls14garlo wrote:By the way, I'm sticking with three machines, I'm happy with my lot....(for now?)
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"NOOOOO DON'T OIL THE SLIDES". Never use oil anywhere near any part that handles coins.
Remove the slides placing them in order just to make sure you replace them in the same order. If they are rusty, remove the rust with fine wire wool or emery paper. They should come up nice and shiny in fact.
Check the long springs are good; take the opportunity to check the small pull springs that move the horizontal fingers while your at it (at least one of these is not good in the photo); clean under and around the slide area while they are out; check the slide brake operated by the fan is working correctly (this moves across to the slides to hold them in place during the cycle); replace the slides. Buy or make a spring puller to help you re locate the springs on the lugs (each spring at the same level as the slide).
Going to stick to three machines... yeah sure, I said that at 5...10...15
Remove the slides placing them in order just to make sure you replace them in the same order. If they are rusty, remove the rust with fine wire wool or emery paper. They should come up nice and shiny in fact.
Check the long springs are good; take the opportunity to check the small pull springs that move the horizontal fingers while your at it (at least one of these is not good in the photo); clean under and around the slide area while they are out; check the slide brake operated by the fan is working correctly (this moves across to the slides to hold them in place during the cycle); replace the slides. Buy or make a spring puller to help you re locate the springs on the lugs (each spring at the same level as the slide).
Going to stick to three machines... yeah sure, I said that at 5...10...15
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Re: Riviera Cashcendo advice
Payout problems:
The plugs on the reel discs are normal. Most machines have had changes over the years. They will relate to the reel strips so all winners on the reel strips should pay. The marks on the outer reel disc are also normal (remember the fingers hit the disc every time there is a loser) as long as they are dinks or small scratches. If they are long scratches then the fingers are hitting the reel disc too soon.
Until the slides are cleaned and refitted correctly there is no knowing if it's paying out or not. Can we see a photo of the handle side of the mech down low? The switch to fire the solenoid is not up high on the vertical fingers, so I'm trying to find it - it could be on the low side.
Take the solenoid slide out as you would the mech slides and clean it. If it's stuck or coin jammed it could blow that fuse.
The jackpot unit has been added and is not factory fitted I think. It's very simple and easy to fix. It can only be the switch (wherever it is), the solenoid or its springs (possible but not likely - they seem to go on for ever) or the wiring (easy to test).
Easy to say leave it as it is... but try it - it will annoy the hell out of you.
The plugs on the reel discs are normal. Most machines have had changes over the years. They will relate to the reel strips so all winners on the reel strips should pay. The marks on the outer reel disc are also normal (remember the fingers hit the disc every time there is a loser) as long as they are dinks or small scratches. If they are long scratches then the fingers are hitting the reel disc too soon.
Until the slides are cleaned and refitted correctly there is no knowing if it's paying out or not. Can we see a photo of the handle side of the mech down low? The switch to fire the solenoid is not up high on the vertical fingers, so I'm trying to find it - it could be on the low side.
Take the solenoid slide out as you would the mech slides and clean it. If it's stuck or coin jammed it could blow that fuse.
The jackpot unit has been added and is not factory fitted I think. It's very simple and easy to fix. It can only be the switch (wherever it is), the solenoid or its springs (possible but not likely - they seem to go on for ever) or the wiring (easy to test).
Easy to say leave it as it is... but try it - it will annoy the hell out of you.
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Doh!!!! ...... Do you remember me referring you to a section of this forum titled Top Tips For Beginners ?
The first tip says : -
I'll start with ........
Do Not use grease, light oil should be used but never where coins travel or sit within the mechanism.
The first tip says : -
I'll start with ........
Do Not use grease, light oil should be used but never where coins travel or sit within the mechanism.
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I haven't had time to have a go at the slides yet but here's a couple of photos to be getting on with
As you can see on the jackpot solenoid there's a label relating to the company that fitted it: Coin Controls, Royton, Oldham, and it's also written 1x £1 and what I thinks says 240v. Is anyone familiar with them and how would it pay out the £1 as it's a 2p machine? The tube is quite large in diameter, so I'm assuming it would be 50 x 2's?
There are two switches low down on each side. Both seem to be wired soundly and make the nice clicking sound when depressed. On one side they're switched to the clock arm and the other side the payout fingers. The wiring looks in good condition. I'll post again when I've had chance to clean up the slides and the area around later.... Ta-ra for now.. A.
As you can see on the jackpot solenoid there's a label relating to the company that fitted it: Coin Controls, Royton, Oldham, and it's also written 1x £1 and what I thinks says 240v. Is anyone familiar with them and how would it pay out the £1 as it's a 2p machine? The tube is quite large in diameter, so I'm assuming it would be 50 x 2's?
There are two switches low down on each side. Both seem to be wired soundly and make the nice clicking sound when depressed. On one side they're switched to the clock arm and the other side the payout fingers. The wiring looks in good condition. I'll post again when I've had chance to clean up the slides and the area around later.... Ta-ra for now.. A.
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Well there is no way its 50 * 2p and seeing as the label says 1 * £1 I would say that is the answer. I would guess one switch fires the solenoid and one cuts the circuit resetting the jp unit. shouldnt take much to make it work it look ok
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Shove a meter across it.
As it's 240V, best to not plug it in, but use a continuity tester.
If you don't have or don't know how to without fusing the street lights then physically check all connections especially at the plugs.
As it's 240V, best to not plug it in, but use a continuity tester.
If you don't have or don't know how to without fusing the street lights then physically check all connections especially at the plugs.
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Yeah, I've checked all the connections - they look and feel fine.... As for the jackpot tube, I hadn't even checked the size but it does suit pound coins. It must've not been in private use for very long, pound coins haven't really been out that long.
I've managed to get it paying out now and landing on winning lines as well after a good clean and polish. The spring on the bottom slide had come off the slide itself! I've made sure it's well oiled so it doesn't seize up as well everyone.....
I'll try out the jackpot tomorrow....
I've managed to get it paying out now and landing on winning lines as well after a good clean and polish. The spring on the bottom slide had come off the slide itself! I've made sure it's well oiled so it doesn't seize up as well everyone.....
I'll try out the jackpot tomorrow....
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The £1 coin came out 33 years ago however it will be replaced next year by a coin much like the old 3d.
I hate the term "well oiled" - a light touch of sewing machine oil on the main moving parts once every three months is all it needs.I've made sure it's well oiled
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Sorry Coppinpr, I was only joking about the oil ha ha! I can't believe the pound coin has been out that long... Jeez, time does fly!! It's almost ready to go in the house now, if I can find somewhere to put it......Then I'll start on the other Jubilee, nothing wrong with it - just needs a good clean and polish.
No doubt I'll find something to ask a load of questions about it, so be ready everyone!!
No doubt I'll find something to ask a load of questions about it, so be ready everyone!!
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Looks like a nice machine and you got a bargain for both the machines, well done..... Trouble is it is like winning the jackpot the first time you play a slot machine, you can't stop.......
If it has the fluorescent fittings in, always best to keep, nothing beats that buzzing sound and flicker as you turn them on..... I am not into those nasty LED things - not the same, you can tell I still have a tube TV at home.
If it has the fluorescent fittings in, always best to keep, nothing beats that buzzing sound and flicker as you turn them on..... I am not into those nasty LED things - not the same, you can tell I still have a tube TV at home.
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I like the fluorescents aswell. I've had to remove it all from the Bonanza Star though - it was too goosed to sort out, shame that... I've put an L.E.D. strip in the marquee box on top just for effect.
The lights are all fine in the Jubilee, I haven't tried the jackpot yet, I can feel I'm messing about in the garage with it a bit too much (if you get my drift (wifey!)).... I feel like a secret drinker or summat, sneaking into the garage at every opportunity ha ha...
I'll let everyone know how I get on with it when I get a chance.... Andi.
The lights are all fine in the Jubilee, I haven't tried the jackpot yet, I can feel I'm messing about in the garage with it a bit too much (if you get my drift (wifey!)).... I feel like a secret drinker or summat, sneaking into the garage at every opportunity ha ha...
I'll let everyone know how I get on with it when I get a chance.... Andi.
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Payout slides removed and polished up (and kept in order)... Problem now is, it's not paying out. I've forced a few different wins and it seems the slides "jump" forward when the cycle is happening and stay forward. When they jump forward about 8 coins drop out (I have to release the horizontal fingers to let the slides spring back).
Also, I've forced the jackpot and the solenoid doesn't fire either. I don't have the means to test it. I think I've seen the problem of the slides solved in another thread when I was looking a few weeks ago but can't find it now!
Sorry if I'm going over old ground here but I want to get it inside with the Bonanza Star so I can start on the Jubilee Cop A Lot lol... Cheers guys. (Any photos that you need, let me know what of and I'll upload some)
Also, I've forced the jackpot and the solenoid doesn't fire either. I don't have the means to test it. I think I've seen the problem of the slides solved in another thread when I was looking a few weeks ago but can't find it now!
Sorry if I'm going over old ground here but I want to get it inside with the Bonanza Star so I can start on the Jubilee Cop A Lot lol... Cheers guys. (Any photos that you need, let me know what of and I'll upload some)
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I took the fingers out(and I've kept them in order) to make it easier to get the springs off. They are numbered from the bottom: 2,3,4,5 up to the top one that's not numbered with a cut- away, just wondered if they were right in the first place, would the blank one be number 1 and from the bottom or am I just over-thinking....
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Never seen them numbered before.
Yes of course they might have been put back wrong, anything is possible.
Four of them look identical, so it shouldn't really matter, unless the bend alters where the slide sits.
Remember you're not just setting them up in the right order, they also have to be spring loaded and loose when the cycle resets everything. That is to say when the slides move forward (as handle is pulled) and their weight is taken off them you must be able to flick each one easily from the rear where the springs are.
If they don't something is wrong and it ain't going to work.
I always fit them back one at a time ensuring they slide in easily from the right slot at the back and through the right guide part way down and then (most important) butt up against the right slide.
The final test as to whether it's the right one in the right place is ....... with a winning line does the relevant vertical finger move the correct horizontal ones?
So check they are loose enough to be easily moved and to return, and then my last paragraph.
If while doing that the numbers stamped on them start to mistake all for the best!
Yes of course they might have been put back wrong, anything is possible.
Four of them look identical, so it shouldn't really matter, unless the bend alters where the slide sits.
Remember you're not just setting them up in the right order, they also have to be spring loaded and loose when the cycle resets everything. That is to say when the slides move forward (as handle is pulled) and their weight is taken off them you must be able to flick each one easily from the rear where the springs are.
If they don't something is wrong and it ain't going to work.
I always fit them back one at a time ensuring they slide in easily from the right slot at the back and through the right guide part way down and then (most important) butt up against the right slide.
The final test as to whether it's the right one in the right place is ....... with a winning line does the relevant vertical finger move the correct horizontal ones?
So check they are loose enough to be easily moved and to return, and then my last paragraph.
If while doing that the numbers stamped on them start to mistake all for the best!
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All the horizontal fingers are lined up with the slides but I've noticed the 3rd vertical finger (from the front) is about an inch and a quarter shorter. The tip of it is rusty so I think it's actually broken and has been for some time... Is that why it doesn't pay out - because it can't? I'll post some pics after...
The mech is forced to a two coin win, cherries, and it did everything it should barring pay out so have I been pi$$ing in the wind all this time?
I thought about swapping the mech over from the other Jubilee but then I'll end up with two bandits in bits! Hope one of you experts can confirm that will be the source of the payout problem then at least I know it's not me!!
Cheers guys..... A
The mech is forced to a two coin win, cherries, and it did everything it should barring pay out so have I been pi$$ing in the wind all this time?
I thought about swapping the mech over from the other Jubilee but then I'll end up with two bandits in bits! Hope one of you experts can confirm that will be the source of the payout problem then at least I know it's not me!!
Cheers guys..... A
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