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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby badpenny » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:00 am

I concur with my esteemed colleagues, cut them off flush, it stops any energy being dispelled in bending the end over. Also by starting off with both ends flush you'll see even minute movement which lifts the heart and encourages you to greater efforts. ;-)
Try tapping them one way and then the other. The same as dealing with stubborn screws to break the grip.
Application of heat is always a winner, unless it's in situ and surrounded by wood of course. :tut

Plus Gas is another winner. I've been using it for over 50 years when it was only available in the airline industry and my Father used to nick it from work.

Whatever you do though, don't force it, just use a bigger hammer. %|%

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby mei-mei » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:56 am

Thank you Bad penny and Penny machines. As I mentioned earlier I only have sight of one end of the pin so might be a bit tricky. Also I have just spotted that one of the pin holes seems offset to the other so not a direct route through. Yep they are in situ so fire out of the question and the only gas in this house is down to the dog! !BOGROLL!

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby gameswat » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:24 am

Doesn't have to be fire, a heat gun held at a side angle will do wonders, even just heating the end of the rod will pass the heat on quickly. Sometimes I've had to make a makeshift protective cover out of something like off-cuts of the fibreboard used behind kitchen hotplates as a fire retardant. There is also a taper pin on the front of the game holding the handle to the shaft so is that one unmolested? I've had the exact same issue as you several times before and taking the front pin out worked fine for me.

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby mei-mei » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:41 am

Oh lord I hadn't even spotted that one although it is intact and not damaged in any way. In order to get it re-chromed is it necessary to remove that one too?

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby 13rebel » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:18 pm

You shouldn't need to remove the taper pin on the outside flicker handle as there shouldn't be one there. Once the inside gubbins have been removed you can pull the handle complete with spindle out.If you put some tape around the spindle and tell the nice chroming man that you don't need that bit to be chromed. [in case the chroming process increases the diameter and then wont fit through the other bits] That's what I did on one occasion and the nice man said okeedokey.
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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby 13rebel » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:46 pm

Mei Mei, you mention that some of the pins have been replaced with split pins. I'm sure that you will have realised but in case not - it's okay to have a split pin in the end of the flicker spindle (as you look from the inside, the end nearest you), as this doesn't take any strain. It's merely there as a precaution against being able to pull out the assembly by naughty players. Photos to follow, fingers crossed.

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby 13rebel » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:14 pm

Not the best quality but may help you identify missing parts.
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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby gameswat » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:42 pm

13rebel wrote:
Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:18 pm
You shouldn't need to remove the taper pin on the outside handle, once the inside gubbins have been removed you can pull the handle complete with spindle out.
In a perfect machine the rear taper pin is all that's needed. But I thought the problem he had was the rear taper pin was broken off and he couldn't get it out? Much easier to deal with an unmolested front pin than buggered up rear one. Then with the shaft out of the machine he'll be able to figure out how to get it out, or if it's still tightly holding the ball hammer in place then just leave it be. Though I do have to say I can't remember once in the last dozen allwins that I haven't had to taper ream the holes slightly and put a brand new slightly larger taper pin in place to remove some of the wobble.

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby 13rebel » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:17 pm

I was refering to the flicker handle as this doesn't have an outside pin but the payout knob does have one so yes it may well be easier to remove this pin.

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby mei-mei » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:42 pm

Thank you guys and sorry not to respond sooner but have been away from the computer. Yep understand about the acceptable split pins but this machine has several others dotted about all over the place. Yes the taper pins are broken off on one side of the hole and the one on the flicker also seems to be offset so that one side does not directly line up with the other. To compound the issue it is bent over so maybe my predecessor had a go at it? Pics very clear thank you 13rebel, will be a great help when I have to reassemble. I've not used this re-chroming man before so I hope he will be helpful! Don't know how I could manage with these repairs without you guys. Thank you. !WORSHIPFULL!


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