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Re: Electric Amuser info needed

Postby badpenny » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:38 am

Wow Marco, you've gone to a lot of effort there.
We need to ensure your diagram doesn't just get lost within the mass of pages. I've often thought we should have somewhere labelled "Gems not to be lost" where we can store such beauties.

Also I thank you for introducing us to the word "Funkeninduktor" I intend to adopt it and make it my personal ambition to use it at least three times a week.
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Re: Electric Amuser info needed

Postby wembleylion » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:12 pm

Looking at the electrical circuit on Widget's machine it looks to me as though only the bulb is lit on a win. The box, top right, holds a battery and the switch is below the box and the circuit is made by the payout arm moving to the right.

Attached is a simple circuit designed to give a single shock. The switch could be either a low torque micro switch located in the coin slide to give a shock every time the machine is played or the switch could be like that on Widget's machine to give a shock only on a win. I guess on the some of the cheaper original machines the coin slide consisted of two tracks insulated from each other so the penny itself completed the circuit. The circuit need only be closed for a short time to charge the capacitor and the capacitor will hold the charge for a few minutes or until discharged through the player ----- Ouch. :zapa:

Beware Electricity is Dangerous and this circuit can be arranged give substantial shock that may be painful / injurious to some persons. I can remember going to Paul Haskel's where he had his machines displayed in his garage. Paul had a selection of shockers in his collection including the well known Pig. Paul persuaded me, against my better judgement, to have a go on a Pickwick with a shocker. I had expected a small jolt but, by Christ, the belt nearly threw me across the garage and my arms felt like they had dislocated from their sockets.

Hope this helps. John.

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Re: Electric Amuser info needed

Postby pennymachines » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:58 pm

Wunderbar Marco! It's great to have that cleared up at last. It all makes sense now.
badpenny wrote:We need to ensure your diagram doesn't just get lost within the mass of pages.
I've copied the post to Resources.
wembleylion wrote:Looking at the electrical circuit on Widget's machine it looks to me as though only the bulb is lit on a win. The box, top right, holds a battery and the switch is below the box and the circuit is made by the payout arm moving to the right.
I think that's right, but surely the circuit must be made by the ball falling into a win. The lamp lets you know you've won and the machine is waiting to pay out. Turning the payout handle would switch it off again. I don't think it has anything to do with the shock feature (except it uses the same battery) and you will find it on some allwins without shockers. I've seen it on Birmingham made Quested Automatics games and believe it may be a characteristic feature of Birmingham made allwins.
wembleylion wrote:Attached is a simple circuit designed to give a single shock.
Your diagram didn't attach for some reason. Could you try again? (Wait until the green tick indicates it's fully uploaded before submitting the post).

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Re: Electric Amuser info needed

Postby wembleylion » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:12 pm

Sorry for the confusion Mr PM, I'm not sure what happened here but I thought I had deleted my post when I realised that I had attached a duff circuit diagram.

I made a shocker when I was at school in the 1950s and the diagram was from memory. I thought I had got it right but quickly making up the circuit I found it didn't work because a few bits had got lost in my brain box; old age striking back again. :#:
On thinking more about it I'm sure I used some parts from an early battery portable radio; these used valves that had a 90 volt heater circuit and I think I used the 90 volt battery together with some of the paper wound capacitors plus other bits. I think the design came from an American boys comic.

John

PS; I notice on YouTube that there are numerous shockers made from single use camera electronics. I don't know how powerful these are but if they are any good they have the advantage that they would be small enough to hide inside a wood and cardboard tube finished to look like an original shock coil.
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Re: Electric Amuser info needed

Postby widget2k4 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:02 pm

Ah, that all makes sense now - thank you for explaining it clearly. I'm still left wondering what the two big knobs are for though?

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Re: Electric Amuser info needed

Postby wembleylion » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:11 pm

widget2k4 wrote:I'm still left wondering what the two big knobs are for though?
It's also possible that the knobs may have been connected at one time and due to the cost of replacement batteries for the shocker it was removed and sold on.

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Re: Electric Amuser info needed

Postby widget2k4 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:24 am

I am going to get this wired up and give it a try sometime, any recommendations on a battery?

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Re: Electric Amuser info needed

Postby pennymachines » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:35 pm

Something like this if the bulb is 6 Volts?
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Re: Electric Amuser info needed

Postby wembleylion » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:28 pm

I found this American patent for a Bunny Shooting Game.

The player holds the rifle which has two metal plates mounted on the rifle in the normal holding position and these plates are connected to a transformer. The Rabbit passes across the front of the target box and the player attempts to shoot the rabbit and if he succeeds one hit is recorded on the players counter but if he misses the rabbit turns raising the rifle he is carrying and a bulb lights in the rifle barrel and the player receives a shock through the metal plates on the rifle. What a brilliant game!!!


From the patent drawing the shocker is shown as just a transformer to raise / lower ? the mains voltage and I think this must have been the principle behind my school days shocker and the perhaps the reason for the 90 volt battery.

Here is the relevant excerpt from the patent
When the rabbit is turning the arms 4l and rifle 43 will be elevated as previously explained and the main electric switch 5B will be closed for energizing the circuit for illuminating the lamp in the miniature rifle carried by the rabbit and at the same time the relay 51 will be energized for closing switch 58 (Fig."7) and transformer circuit 59.
When the transformer 59 is charged, a mild shock will be transmitted to the gunner through wires 25 and 26 which are respectively connected with 'the transformer circuit and the switch 58.


This is the link to the full patent.
https://www.google.com.au/patents/US240 ... KYKHX4LB70
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Re: Electric Amuser info needed

Postby john t peterson » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:33 pm

Now, if we could just teach the bunnies to pull a trigger, we'd really even up the odds. !!SUICIDAL!!

A shock to the shooter for a missed shot is a nice alternative.

I'm still holding out hope for open season on politicians. !SHOOT!

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