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Re: Pilwin Restoration

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:52 pm
by coppinpr
I have a NOS Pilwin backflash from Jim Bryan that I am going to use on my Pilwin, ( one day!) I consider this to be OK. The repro Elevenses type back flashes that Melvin Wright produced, were screen printed onto clear plastic. I think if you are going to repro them they should be as the originals were done, not paper laminated. This is my opinion.
I believe in conservation rather than restoration.
I think we all agree in conservation rather than restoration what I cant understand is some people seem to think restoration is not acceptable even if the original is past conservation.
The quote above is a case in point in a way as if you do use the Jim Bryan backflash you will be "restoring " the machine not "conserving" it"
the golden rule in museum conservation is "The goal of conservation is never to make something look “new” again" You could make the argument that as the backflash is NOS it would be original but you would still fall foul of the golden rule of conservation.If an operator had bought the pilwin backflash back in the early days to replace a damaged original he would have been restoring it and conserving it. Using one of the Jim Bryan produced elevenses backflashes wouldnt be true restoration because, as you say,they are not the same design as the originals

Re: Pilwin Restoration

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:53 pm
by widget2k4
All this over a pilwin lol

Re: Pilwin Restoration

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:19 pm
by bryans fan
bryans fan wrote:I have a NOS Pilwin backflash from Jim Bryan that I am going to use on my Pilwin, ( one day!) I consider this to be OK. The repro Elevenses type back flashes that Melvin Wright produced, were screen printed onto clear plastic. I think if you are going to repro them they should be as the originals were done, not paper laminated. This is my opinion.
I believe in conservation rather than restoration.

What I should have put was, "I believe in conservation rather than restoration, whenever possible."

Re: Pilwin Restoration favourite quote of the day!

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:29 pm
by tammy
I like how one reply to replacing plastic backflash for a printed paper one and made me chuckle a lot today so I have put it as quote of the day i.e. SHINY MACHINES FOR SHINY HOUSES!!

Re: Pilwin Restoration favourite quote of the day!

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:44 pm
by treefrog
This explains so much, as my house is like a sh!*t hole :woops:

Re: Pilwin Restoration

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:38 pm
by ollie h
I appreciate everybody’s views on originality and restoration, but I felt that in this instance it is too far gone. I have taken it into my local printers and they are going to scan/ photoshop it and print it onto a piece of thin plastic for me. They did one for me about a year ago for an Oliver Whales Allwin De Luxe using an image from the resources page and I was very happy so hopefully they will do a good job on the Pilwin artwork.

Re: Pilwin Restoration

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:01 pm
by ollie h
I picked up my new backflash today from the printers and I think they’ve done a pretty good job, what do you recon?

My next move is to sort out the mech and build a new cabinet, as I haven’t got access to a complete machine I have a few questions. As you can see from the photos at the beginning of this thread I am missing a few pieces and the photos I have found aren’t really zoomed in enough. I would greatly appreciate help with the following;

Cabinet, I need to know the thickness of sides, top, bottom etc, height of cash tray, depth of cabinet and if anyone has any close ups of the construction that would be great. Also was wandering which thickness of glass to use 4mm or 6mm.

Mouths, I am missing all the mouths so could do with some photos in order for me to make them, they look pretty simple but I’m not sure of the internal layout of the mouths.

Little piece of track, I have noticed from looking at photos of a complete machine that there is a small piece of track to the top left (next to the clowns left eyebrow). Was wandering how this is attached and is it adjustable?

Payout hopper and coin slide, some decent square on internal photos would brilliant showing the pieces I am missing.

I know I am asking a lot so any help would be greatly appreciated and I thank you in advance. Cheers

Re: Pilwin Restoration

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:24 pm
by widget2k4
The sides, top bottom etc. are made out of 14mm thick wood, the depth is 150mm, the cash box area is 80mm.
My glass is 4mm.
The little piece of track is adjustable.

Backflash looks mint. !THUMBS!

Re: Pilwin Restoration

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:00 pm
by ollie h
Top man Widget, that info and your photos are going to help me lots. So glad I found this site, much appreciated mate. !THUMBS!

Re: Pilwin Restoration

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:11 pm
by widget2k4
No problem mate, if you need anything at all just give us a shout.