Sega Windsor Buccaneer payout slides

[badpenny]

Don't adjust the dog/anvil until you have checked everything else. It's the last resort. If you think you have a problem with a mechanism not finishing its cycle, you can confirm it by counting the clunks at the end. There should be 5.
The first Three are the reel stops, the fourth is the vertical fingers releasing and the fifth is the release coming off the slides. From that you can work out which action it's failing at.

BP

[dutchboy]

Mechanism is running fine now over here after adjusting the anvil. The cycle was too slow and the vertical fingers didn’t get pushed back completely and the slides didn’t get released. I moved the anvil about 1 to 1.5 mm and that did the job.

[pennywise]

Hi again BP, sliders decreased and tried dog and anvil but just seems to be the same sometimes the sliders push forward and the lock engages and when this happens and the sliders return that's what pays the coins out every time. Or when the sliders DON'T move fully forward the lock cannot engage behind them if that make any sense. I've tried to post a short video but wouldn't let me so don't know if it's supported for videos.

[badpenny]

Put your video on YouTube and post the link here.

You could have two issues going on. The Slide lock isn't always coming across behind the slide and possibly the horizontal fingers aren't either.
As they are within breathing space of each other you might have common buggeration going on in the name of dried grease. Also check the springs at the back of the mech which lever the horizontal figures back into place. Sometimes Horizontal Fingers can get bent and interfere with each others smooth action

When you pull the handle you should see the slide bundle move forward in unison, it's at that point that the Vertical Fingers reset allowing the Horizontal Fingers to move across behind the slides, also the slide lock (operated by the clock) moves across from the other side.
All of this happens before the reels spin. So if you get that far and that hasn't happened then Gosh a Rooty you've gone and damn well found your problem(s).
It's only half nine at night so get to it right now and I'll expect to see a comprehensive report on my desk by 8.30 tomorrow morning.

Mechanism is running fine now over here after adjusting the anvil. The cycle was too slow and the vertical fingers didn’t get pushed back completely and the slides didn’t get released. I moved the anvil about 1 to 1.5 mm and that did the job.

Well how excellently done you! It really is the last resort to adjust the Dog & Anvil but it does have to be spot on. Until you fully understand how two apparently isolated parts hanging on the side can really fine tune so many unrelated actions it's natural to be sceptical that a bunch of old age delinquents from Stupid Town Glamorganshire seriously know what they're waffling about. I'm glad it worked for you this time, but don't ever do it again dutchboy! Who knows you might start a war or something.

BP

[pennywise]

Thanks BP just read the post about the chunks and I get the first three then the fourth and fifth sound very close together so should I be looking at the vertical fingers? From what I can see they do seem to lock back when you pull the handle, it's a bit of a pain because it's electro-mechanical so hard to see in the carcass, would love to solve this problem as I'm getting right into these machines and if anyone could give me a rough price on what I might get for my four machines as I don't see a lot for sale that is all finished many thanks.

[dutchboy]

I hope you play darts very well, such a shame when you hit the bandits. I could post a picture of the wall from my little son full with holes, but won’t....

[badpenny]

I hope you play darts very well, such a shame when you hit the bandits. I could post a picture of the wall from my little son full with holes, but won’t....

Your son is full of holes? Wow!
BP

[badpenny]

Thanks BP just read the post about the chunks and I get the first three then the fourth and fifth sound very close together so should I be looking at the vertical fingers? From what I can see they do seem to lock back when you pull the handle, it's a bit of a pain because it's electro-mechanical so hard to see in the carcass, would love to solve this problem as I'm getting right into these machines and if anyone could give me a rough price on what I might get for my four machines as I don't see a lot for sale that is all finished many thanks.

If the vertical fingers didn't lock back then nothing would spin.
Fourth and fifth clunk being close together isn't a problem, so long as they haven't swapped places, unlikely though.
It was the horizontal fingers I suggested you need to check as well as the slide bundle release.

[pennywise]

Here is a video of the sliders pushing forward or not going fully back. Also a picture of the old springs that has been taken off and the new springs but had to stretch them slightly so does anyone know what is the correct size springs to go onto the sliders, it actually measures 100mm from centre hole on back of slider when fully back in place to where the spring mounts on, there is some on eBay that size for a Buckley mech but look the same would anyone know if they would fit or do I need smaller for more tension....

[badpenny]

Clearly the slides aren't being pushed far enough forward to allow the stop to get in behind.
Also the cycle seems very quick.
So we now need to see a video of the dog & anvil in action.
Unfortunately you'll have to operate the mech outside of the case. Drape a thickish kitchen towel over the lever stub and use the heel of your hand to set the machine off.
You might need to lock the camera off if there's nobody handy to film what's happening.

BP

[radiochrissie]

It’s got the wrong slides fitted, that’s why the top 2 slide levers don’t drop into place. The slides top cover has been modified with numerous washers to make it fit.

[radiochrissie]

It looks like it’s only got 4 payout slides instead of 6.

[treefrog]

I counted 6 slides, I assume 2 coins per slide as they looked the same. The slides are not going back far enough. The rod that is attached to the rear main assembly arm is not going forward enough, this can be affected by how far the anvil is positioned as when brought to the left or inwards you will get more travel. I can hear also the machine release fairly quickly from the dog. Show a picture of the right side of mechanism.

Also get proper screw for the top cover, rather than washers and Philips screws, all available online. The springs you have bought look a little too tight and should be much looser with a gradual travel. Most slide springs will fit, but the ones you are talking about on eBay are over priced.

[dutchboy]

It seems to be the problem I had, only the cycle was a lot shorter. When I adjusted the anvil the slides were pushed a little further.

[radiochrissie]

I still think the problem lies with the slides.Look at the large gap between the top slide and the back of the first slide,the slides have been replaced and are not the same thickness as the original.thats why you see the top 2 slide levers sitting ABOVE the top slide. Yes, the slides are not pushed forward all the way, but I think that could be caused by the stack of slides jamming.

[radiochrissie]

The rod that pushes the slides forward is spring loaded in case of a jam, it has to be to prevent damage to the mech, it would be interesting to see how far the rod comes forward when the slides are removed. I may of course be wrong, hope what I am saying helps.

[malcymal]

Washer spacing on the slide cover and underneath too can make a massive difference to my Aristocrat. The four posts (screws), check washers on them, (its already been suggested check them and screws too as those washers are a cobble). If mine arent spaced correctly at bottom and at top the retaining cover on the stack becomes too tight making slides stick, (you can feel resistance when you pull the arm of the bandit and that indicates you are going to do damage) or the slides can rise up at front slightly which can cause coin jam or payout incorrect amount. If too tight it wont pay out above 4 coins, if too loose a couple of coins can come out without a win on pull, when correct it pays out the 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10 fine. Maybe as a test, slacken off the four top screws a bit to see whether this impacts on the slide travel.

[pennywise]

It’s got the wrong slides fitted, that’s why the top 2 slide levers don’t drop into place. The slides top cover has been modified with numerous washers to make it fit.

I think the washers are there because the screws are too long so bit of a bodge job by last owner, will either fit new screws or cut these one down..

[pennywise]

Washer spacing on the slide cover and underneath too can make a massive difference to my Aristocrat. The four posts (screws), check washers on them, (its already been suggested check them and screws too as those washers are a cobble). If mine arent spaced correctly at bottom and at top the retaining cover on the stack becomes too tight making slides stick, (you can feel resistance when you pull the arm of the bandit and that indicates you are going to do damage) or the slides can rise up at front slightly which can cause coin jam or payout incorrect amount. If too tight it wont pay out above 4 coins, if too loose a couple of coins can come out without a win on pull, when correct it pays out the 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10 fine. Maybe as a test, slacken off the four top screws a bit to see whether this impacts on the slide travel.

When I tighten the slide cover on top of the slides the slides do stick so just finger tight at the mo and sometimes the slides do come all the way forward and the lock does engage behind them. That's what I don't understand - doesn't happen all the time.....

[pennywise]

This is the dog 'n anvil in action. I had to use a finger just to set it up as I don't want to strip the electrics out. I have noticed that the top horizontal finger IS higher than the top slide so guess this is wrong so could someone point me in the right direction into getting the correct 1p slides for this machine there are 5 slides in my mech and all are the same thickness. Once I locate and fit these slides and springs if I can find them will see what happens with the cycle and take it from there I think.