Aristocrat Bobby Dazzler help

[platau]

Correction...It won't pay 4 queens either.

Think I'm starting to get how it all works now.
So am I right that these fingers represent each symbol ?
Are these fingers in order like "9" starting at the back, then "10", "7" , "8" , "jack", "queen" , "king", and so on ?

[badpenny]

It sounds like all of your major issues are down to excess dry grease, you're probably going to end up dismantling most of it bit by bit to clear it all out.
Rig a 4 Queen play then look at the vertical fingers.
There should be one that lines up all the holes on the payout discs.
Has it a weak spring? Lazy action? Been removed?
Or has it been rigged by having blanks fitted to the payout discs filling in the holes?

BP

[platau]

I had another look before reading your reply .
The queen finger drops into the first reel disc only, then I checked the second reel. It has 2 queens and one has a blank insert. Why would that be there ?

[badpenny]

To stop it paying out.
They were only one type of bugs available to the operator to rig the machines payout %

Get a long thin screwdriver down between the discs and prise the bugger out.

While you're at it look for anymore, but before you remove those check the symbols on the win line. It was more usual when fitting a slug to stick a non winning fruit like a lemon over the one being altered.

BP

[platau]

Ah so that's what they did. Cheatin' bastards.
Yeah no worries I was going to check all the symbols out tomorrow. I notice there is more than one blank in there.

[coppinpr]

Just make sure they shouldn't be there before you remove them, sounds like the one in the Queens hole was a con but others might correspond to changes made to the reel strips as BP says, reducing the payouts but not conning you on the reel readouts, run through ALL the payouts possible listed on the payout card and see if they pay correctly.

[platau]

I found 3 blanks and needed to remove 2 of them. That part of the payouts works well now.

Next : Sometimes the handle will jam because the coin will slip up and to the left when the handle is pulled instead of dropping straight through into the carousel. Jiggling the handle will allow it to drop.

[tazmantic]

Yes I believe so.

[platau]

I put a light spring on there but it still jams. Must be something else cos when I push the handle back the coin will then drop into the carousel on the next pull.

[platau]

I found that the double ball ended rod behind the coin mech was bent, so I straightened that out then adjusted it a bit longer so that the coin drops on to the lever I mentioned earlier requiring a spring.
So, that's fixed now. No handle jam.

[platau]

Have to renew the cabinet now.
How do I get the handle out of the cabinet ?

[coppinpr]

That's easy! With slight variations Aristo handles disassemble like this:

Remove the Damper pump which is attached to the handle and case with a split pin at either end and put it aside for servicing (see Servicing an Aristocrat damper pump).
Photo the handle mech first.
Remove the spring, remove the main handle lock washer which is held in place by a tiny screw (this lock washer MAY have disappeared over the years).
Remove the main bolt from the middle and things should start to fall out. The main handle bar itself might surprise you by coming out of its boss at this stage.
With all the parts removed that come loose when the bolt is out remove the three or four screws that hold the sleeve in place and remove the outside and inside parts.
Being an Aristocrat you should have a mass of parts ready to clean rather than the a few parts jammed together like you do with a Mills handle. Even the knob unscrews if you try hard enough.
Clean and lightly lube everything and then be relieved that you took a photo at the start. Reassemble the lot making sure to replace the fibre stops at the ends of the inner bracket travel.
Disassemble the pump as per the other post, clean, adjust and rebuild and you've got a brand new handle assembly.

[platau]

Thanks. That's great information.
I have had the handle out and fixed the pump as well.
What I also need to do is remove this handle pivot and bezel from the case because they're going to be powder coated. So, how do I get that out?
I can see three bolt heads behind the handle mechanism that probably hold the backing plate up against the inside of the machine but I can't see how the bolts would come out because the handle pivot is castellated in what appears to be a dovetail on the inner end where it goes through the actuation lever.

[coppinpr]

Not sure where you're going wrong with the handle removal.

Parts A,B,C come off when you remove the main bolt and the internal parts D comes off when you unscrew the flat head screw/bolts on the inside under the handle mech,

With all the parts removed that come loose when the bolt is out remove the three or four screws that hold the sleeve in place and remove the outside and inside parts

There is nothing else to remove

[platau]

OK thanks, that's what I thought.

What's this bracket for?

[coppinpr]

Your machine does not have the standard Nevada coin tray so I'm guessing this is a non standard coin tray lock bracket.

[platau]

I've got some new timber panels for the new cabinet from a local commercial shop fitter. Pick them up early next week.
All the chrome parts, front door, top surround, handle, handle pivot and bezel etc are going to the powder coaters tomorrow. Still trying to decide on the colour. I was going to go black but the signage (panels that light up) have a black background so it would be too much. I'm leaning towards a medium charcoal metallic with a gloss clear coat. Might do the rest of the machine exterior in a dark blue as I already have some beautiful laminex (for the timber cabinet top and around the footrest) that's dark blue with like gold spider webs through it. The new timber panels are a blonde/grey wood-grain.

This is the laminex. Is very dusty and still has the protective plastic on it but you'll get the idea. I think it will look great on the tiny countertop just underneath the coin tray and around the front and sides of the foot rest. I also have some almost black left over carpet tile to put on top of the foot rest.

A couple of other things : When I tighten the bolt (on the inside) for the handle pivot just enough so that the handle can still be operated freely, the handle is a little loose where it goes down through the pivot (C). So when the handle is pulled it rotates a little which causes wear on the handle bar (B). Is there a way to tighten this ?
Also, I can't get the knob off the handle. I would say it is threaded but I can see that there is glue as well. The powder coater says he bakes the job at 200 deg and I don't know if the knob will be destroyed at that temp. Is it made of Bakelite ? or some other plastic ?...Bakelite would be OK at 200 deg but anything else will be wrecked.

[platau]

I was almost finished assembling my machine after having built a new cabinet and getting all of the chrome parts powder coated when I struck a problem.
I couldn't get the handle to go together. I spent ages trying to figure out why the tube that goes through the bush from the handle to the inside of the cabinet wasn't long enough, then I suddenly recalled that the bush was slightly recessed in its housing. Something has gone very wrong with the part when it was in the hands of the powder coater. I think the bush is probably heat pressed into the housing and I'm guessing that it came loose when they baked the powder coat.

To try to explain I have included photos of before and after.
Can anyone tell me, how far the bush is supposed to be recessed inside from the housing outside face ?

I'm going to go back and see them tomorrow. They will have to fix it but it's a bit of problem when I don't know to tell them any measurements. Good thing I've got a photo to show them.

[coppinpr]

I'm sorry but I'm at a loss here. The after photo looks so different as to be a completely different machine! I can only assume you recessed the boss into the new wood case as it is clearly not the same shape as it used to be. Can I ask, why did you replace the case? Was it badly damaged in some way? I've never ever had one that did not clean up as new. What you have now might end up looking great but it will never be an authentic Aristocrat now.

Hard to say the position of the inner sleeve as I've never had to even remove one let alone totally rebuild one. Surely the position of the rest of the handle parts will show you the distance.

[aristomatic]

Is this the machine as originally?




It's a little difficult to understand from your post what exactly is the issue, so could be a number of different reasons to explore to get you up and running.
Prior to reassembly within the cabinet did you reassemble all the handle parts outside of the cabinet? If so, did everything all seem to be correct then?

And just to be clear...

If you remove the starter bracket on the inside off the bush, does the bush go all the way through on its own or not?

GP