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Re: Mystery Machine???

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:07 pm
by badpenny
treefrog wrote: Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:52 pm (now been in Garden for 6 years and looks great in the bushes)
You followed my guide well TF. I've not been allowed a compost heap since I lived in Coventry, over ten years ago.

BP

Re: Mystery Machine???

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:15 pm
by pennywise
coppinpr wrote: Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:52 pm The coin entry surround should be easy to find (I'd be amazed if TF doesn't have a carrier bag full) - easier to find than the 6d denominator which you still have.

I'm guessing the escalator window has been blocked off because either the original Mills type escalator was replaced with the Shefras roll down escalator it has now or it may have started life with the less troublesome roll down. You would need to take a look and see what it looks like uncovered. It might not be much of a view, the roll down is not a pretty thing. The colour you have is an original colour just a little faded. If I was going to re paint, I'd keep the same colours only darker, but that's me not you. :lol:

You're also missing the original win line pointer to the left of the reel windows. I can see something there, but it looks added rather than original. I can make you a repro of the original if you want.
Thanks Coppinpr, seems to slope down to the right when looking through the window and seems to be set back 1 to 2 inch, so very hard to see when the mechs in place but looks the one for the case as it fits perfect in the screw holes but others I've seen are really close to the window. !PUZZLED! Does have an arrow on the left with pay above and out below so I don't know if this is correct. Now on the paint side I normally get them powder coated as they are more durable, but would you recommend stippled as is or smooth finish? I don't want to ruin it with the wrong paint job. !!THUMBSX2!!

Re: Mystery Machine???

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:16 pm
by pennywise
treefrog wrote: Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:52 pm Funny I do have a coin entry spare, but not sure which variant it will fit as they do vary. Sega are different to the non Sega and the non Sega also seem to vary. I took one off a breaker machine (now been in Garden for 6 years and looks great in the bushes) and tried to change with another that had mazak attack (common on non Sega machines) and of course was different.....

If I find I will let you know...
TF that would be great thanks very much. !!YIPPEE!! P.s I will make it fit :HaHa: :HaHa:

Re: Mystery Machine???

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:28 pm
by coppinpr
Although your machine may well have started life with the Shefras roll down a nice Mills style escalator should fit straight in as the Shefras was made to fit directly in place of the troublesome Mills if, let's say, you could buy a Mills escalator cheap at Coventry it would look good on your machine.
As to paint, I think either could work. If there are any gouges in the castings the stipple will cover a multitude of sins. The one I showed earlier I stippled and looked so good I'm sorry I sold it now.

Re: Mystery Machine???

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:08 am
by pennywise
My thoughts exactly Coppinpr. Just bought a blasting cabinet so I'm going to bead blast it first and see what's underneath the paint, give me an idea which to choose from.👍

Re: Mystery Machine???

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:39 am
by brigham
I don't believe that to be a Berkeley, the polished side strips are wrong.
You'll have some fun with the reelstrips. There are spurious lemons everywhere, and melons appear to have been entirely eradicated!

Re: Mystery Machine???

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:24 am
by pennywise
Not really bothered about reel strips at the mo as there are no melons on the front payout and lots of others don't have the melons, so I'm guessing they wasn't there in the first place. As long as the machine is complete and working with a good clean and a repaint it should look great. It has been bodged on one of the sides, so a bit of sanding and some wrap will fix that problem. Will leave the chrome strips though as it's always nice to have a bit of bling if they clean up. 😁

Re: Mystery Machine???

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:41 am
by malcymal
I had one of these Berkeley or whatever it is Sega clones. I had a Sega Bonanza Star once all in bits but complete to a degree and it had a nice escalator which also wouldn't work with the actual mechanism of the clone, nothing married up. As Coppinpr pointed out, a Sega bonnet will not fit these clones either. I then thought I would transplant the Bonanza Star mech into the clone and this wouldn't marry up with the base plate either, so in the end tarted up the clone and punted it on for a good price (it went to France) and I believe the Bonanza Star actually went to Coppinpr for an Aristo swap which sits in my dining room much to my wife's annoyance. I think you should be able to pick up a bonnet by buying just an empty cabinet as they do pop up once in while on fleabay.

Re: Mystery Machine???

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:44 am
by gameswat
Why on earth would you want to spend the time and effort to strip off that almost perfect original wrinkle finish and replace it with something else?! That finish is ridiculously hard wearing, which explains why it survived so well this long, and it's only gotten harder with all the decades. It looks right for the era of the machine because it is right. If you like the idea of hot rodding machines then why not buy one that's already been molested and go for it. I've spent a lifetime undoing fantasy paint jobs on machines that at one time didn't maybe hold a lot of monetary value, so owners used to do the work themselves and go crazy with them. But who knows what will grab the fancy of future collectors, and suddenly they all want them back to original. When it comes down to it how often do you hear collectors get excited that a machine has been goofed around with?

Re: Mystery Machine???

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:17 pm
by dutchboy
I agree with gameswat, you will be surprised how it looks after a good clean up. I still can’t push myself for doing the sides of my Jennings Chiefs. Even the loss of the decals on the sides keep pushing me back. :cool: They are only once original.

Re: Sega clone

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:05 pm
by treefrog
See below...

Re: Sega clone

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:41 pm
by pennywise
treefrog wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:05 pmSee below...

Re: Sega clone

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:41 pm
by treefrog
Apologies after digging through to confirm I did not need the part, I discovered that this was from a machine I had taken apart and needed to rebuild, I can confirm this is the case and is a proper Sega coin entry......so will keep my eye out for the one from the machine in the garden..

As some of you may know, I have taken time out from full time work (personal reasons) but has given me time to wade through 10 years of collecting addiction. This has given me the opportunity to dig out the numerous piles of junk I have bought over the years and projects I started, but never finished. I must have 30 plus machines part stripped and parts all over the place...top of the list recommendation to anyone is never start working in a machine and then starting another before finishing the first !PUZZLED!

It has been great and I have had success and frustrations and a chance to work on machines people talk about on here I have never touched, so restored a number of Allwins and catcher machines for example. Currently main focus has been Beromats type machines. I have lots, but in German and British format and think I now am pretty knowledgeable of the mechanism, far more complex to work on than your standard bell 3 reeler. I am glad I hoarded large volumes of spares as I have needed them, with the common problems with slides and slide carriers, coin mechanism plates, handle plates and various other parts that disintegrate. I Have also done a complete strip down, not as easy as you think with dozens of split pins and delicate metal parts. Today just rebuilt a Roma mechanism that I part took apart 9 years ago, solid with frozen grease and parts missing....bloody job, but now working.....now have four others to do...

So when people ask for help, genuinely I would love to, but as below showing my summer workshop I can’t find a bloody thing, even my tools disappear :shock:

Anyway, back to the grind......

Re: Sega clone

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:15 pm
by banditboy67
Wow, would love to see all your stuff... !!THUMBSX2!!

Re: Sega clone

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:44 pm
by badpenny
Hey TF looks like you've gotten rid of a mass of stuff.

BP

Re: Sega clone

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:48 am
by brigham
Looks like you'e been burgled by Fiorello La Guardia.

Re: Sega clone

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:04 am
by treefrog
badpenny wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:44 pm Hey TF looks like you've gotten rid of a mass of stuff.

BP

Haven’t even reached the lower slopes yet....


This lot is largely part of dismantled machines I have gathered from various stores, sheds etc to go through.....10 years of hoarding and disorganisation :dammit:

Re: Sega clone

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:29 am
by badpenny
Excellent a man after my own ……..

Re: Sega clone

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:48 am
by pennywise
Big thanks Tf for looking through your pile of gold. So if anyone can help me out on the coin surround for the Sega and also need a few parts for an Aristocrat Kingsway, please give me a shout then I can get two more machines up and going rather than just sitting collecting dust.
Thanks guys.

Re: Sega clone

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:01 pm
by pennywise
Here you go TF, aligator skin wrap. Let me know your thoughts, good or bad. Still looking for the coin entry surround and a couple of bits to finish off, but overall pretty pleased with the finished product. Shame about the cash try - was too far gone to save the chrome so had to spray black.