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Aristocrat Clubmaster

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 4:31 pm
by pennywise
I've just stripped my Clubmaster down ready for the make over and found lots of these tokens in and behind the cash draw.
This machine runs on 6d coins and I wondered if they had anything to do with this machine, or was it something you could swap or trade for a prize? Any info would be great please.

Re: Aristocrat clubmaster

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 6:26 pm
by treefrog
If they are sixpence size, then they are just used as the same....

I remember this machine, was on eBay in Peterborough and as usual was removed by eBay. I guess you managed to deal offline with seller. ;-)

Are the bits there that are missing on the escalator which I noticed when listed and in your picture? The other odd thing I was going to query with seller, before it was removed, it looks like there is a hole drilled on the left hand of the casting, strange place to have a hole... or is it my eyes are playing up? Looks like nice project... have fun. :burp:

Re: Aristocrat clubmaster

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 7:42 pm
by pennywise
I watched it TF, then it got taken off and a couple of days later it was relisted but not in one arm bandits.
Relisted in clothing πŸ€” and it popped up on mine because I watched it - very lucky because I was looking for it for ages. Don't know why the hole is there, unless for saftey chain or someone logo attatchment - who knows?

The rod that hits the coin was bent, so was on free play, but needs cutting, plus a couple of springs behind the coin mech have come off that operate coin acceptance I think. Not had one before so trial and error I'm affraid.😁

The reels are nice and tight, spin great just needs de-greasing and a real good clean.

Yes TF, the front piece is in the cash box - just needs a clean and they must have had trouble with the coin mech.
I'm guessing why the rod was bent because it would go through the hole in the tokens so render them pointless.πŸ€”

Re: Aristocrat Clubmaster

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 10:00 am
by brigham
Tokens with a hole were designed not to be playable in the machine, for the usual reason; getting round the never-ending absurdity of gaming laws.

Re: Aristocrat Clubmaster

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 10:09 am
by treefrog
I am intrigued, I assume the coin detector on a lot of machines in theory would reject these tokens, so how did this work in terms of the law and getting around use of them? !PUZZLED!

Re: Aristocrat Clubmaster

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 11:44 am
by gameswat
The whole reason for the hole in tokens is so the machine can differentiate between coin and token. When set up for this, the machine will accept both coin and tokens, but due to the hole the machine will send all coins straight into the cashbox, while tokens go into the payout and jackpot to be recycled. That way the machine is not being used for gambling as the tokens will clearly state "For Amusement only, no cash value".

Re: Aristocrat Clubmaster

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:23 pm
by treefrog
I just don’t recall seeing this function existing on any machine I have worked on.....eg Mills, Aristocrat etc.....reject, yes.....

I seem to remember this being discussed ages ago and my memory has gone and how this functioned on machines. !PUZZLED! So would a machine have worked differently, depending on whether a token was inserted or a genuine coin, where the mechanics for this existed?

Re: Aristocrat Clubmaster

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 4:09 pm
by brigham
It goes right back to the early days in the US, to the days of gum and mint vendors.
There was no problem putting coin into the machine; that was a simple retail sale. The problem came when the machine paid out in current coin.
In many areas, a cash payout was nothing more than gambling, and not allowed. It was found that some areas would allow a prize of redeemable tokens; problem solved (for the meantime).

Re: Aristocrat Clubmaster

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:39 pm
by livinginthepast
As I remember it all these tokens were slightly larger than a sixpence so the machine could separate them. Tokens with holes were 3d value and the solid ones were 6d value.

Re: Aristocrat Clubmaster

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:52 pm
by pennywise
So in theory if I put a small plate on the end of the rod that hits the back of the coin I should be able to use tokens and 6d coins.
The tokens are a fraction smaller than the 6d and some were jammed in the sliders. So now I know why the rod was bent, so it wouldn't go through the hole.
Still need to find out what's missing on the back and couple of springs missing I think.