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Re: Atlantic Flyer identified & unknown machine

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:22 pm
by bryans fan
Thank you very much for your post. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Re: Atlantic Flyer identified & unknown machine

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:07 pm
by 13rebel
Just wondering why the Bajazzo [Clown] machines were banned yet the Atlantic machines were not banned when they are not too dissimilar? :!?!:

Re: Atlantic Flyer identified & unknown machine

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:29 pm
by joerg_gm
13rebel wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:07 pm
Just wondering why the Bajazzo [Clown] machines were banned yet the Atlantic machines were not banned when they are not too dissimilar? :!?!:
The Bajazzo was banned in the late 1920s in most districts, because it was declared by a lot of legal experts as a gambling machine. The bajazzo/clown was produced in Germany since 1910 and there has always been different legal views by the courts and police offices.
The crucial point were the pins above the cup and the unpredictable change of direction of the ball caused by those pins. This was seen as a game of luck (which was strictly forbidden) and not as a game of skill. The Atlantic has no pins. The ball falls down in a straight line without being deflected by any obstacles.

Around 1906/1907 there were some coin-catchers on the german market, like the famous "Zeppelin". They worked on the same principles as the Bajazzo/Clown. Prof. Richard Kockel, the most important legal expert for such machines at this time, examined the "Zeppelin" with new technologies like slow motion shots in 1909:
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He declared the "Zeppelin" as a game of luck, so it was banned around 1909.


There were a lot of different modifications of old Bajazzo-machines besides the Atlantic between 1927-1930:
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Most of them were also banned in the early 30s.

Re: Atlantic Flyer identified & unknown machine

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:20 pm
by john t peterson
Excellent, informative post, joerg_gm. Thanks! !THUMBS!

J Peterson
Retired Atlantic Flyer, USA

Re: Atlantic Flyer identified & unknown machine

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:53 pm
by 13rebel
Thank you joerg-gm for explaining that in such an interesting way. :D

Re: Atlantic Flyer identified & unknown machine

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:20 pm
by pennymachines
Yes, thank you joerg for those really interesting posts and some great flyers. Slow-mo photography to prove a legal point in 1909 - who would have thought?