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Sega Windsor Payouts Wrong, Jackpot Tube Install, etc.

Postby sirswift76 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:33 pm

Hi!

I own a Sega Windsor with “Go-Go Girl” graphics (never seen this graphic before). It was my dad’s machine given to him from my mom back in 1972. It’s a clean machine but it does have its problems. Thanks for all your help members!

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It was converted from 5p to US quarters. The first issue is that it says 5p two plays but you only get one pull per coin. There is a switch at the bottom left that has cut idea that might be the cause. (See photo)

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The second issue I have is someone took out what appears to be the jackpot tube. What else would I need to make the machine issue a jackpot? (See photo)

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The last issue I have is that sometime the wheels don’t show a payout should be made but it still pays out. (See photo) of combinations where the machine paid out when it should not have.

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These are some of the combinations that payout two quarters.
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Re: Sega Windsor Payouts Wrong, Jackpot Tube Install, etc.

Postby coppinpr » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:32 pm

Firstly, is the coin acceptor now all electric? If it was still mechanical it would be a double drop and easy to set up; powered it could be more complex. Can we have more details and photos? The electrics seem to be all new. My best guess is the cut blue wire which clearly went to the switch on the side of the machine caused the switch to open (or close, can't see) once per pull, so this might have been part of the "two pulls" connection. There looks to be another (white/red) wire also cut to the switch. The easiest thing to do would be change the coin denominator to "25c per pull". A pity the award card will make no sense anyway as it's payouts are in pence not number of coins.

The jackpot that's missing was purely mechanical and looks like the one below. It fitted like the one in the second photo and was fired by the top slide in a simple sliding motion, releasing the coins. The jackpot was often visible through a clear area in the belly glass (bottom photo).

Are a lot of the payouts correct or only a few? Are all the payouts correct and the others additional? Are some payouts replaced by the crazy ones? The last photo in your set of two coin payouts is, in fact, correct (C-P-any).
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Re: Sega Windsor Payouts Wrong, Jackpot Tube Install, etc.

Postby sirswift76 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:29 pm

Thank you for the quick reply with photos Coppinpr! You are correct with that last picture. I started taking photos of correct payouts too and that made it in my post as an incorrect payout.

The coin mechanism is. 130-25 CoinMech 10130003. It’s has the solenoid lockout too. There is also a cherry microswitch that triggers the large (pinball flipper solenoid) at the bottom right to allow one pull of the arm.



The payouts are correct when the wheels land on the correct images. However, there are payouts when the wheels land on incorrect images but not all incorrect but images.

Can you send me a close up picture of how the jackpot hardware is bolted down and setup to be mechanically Pushed open?

Can you also show me close up pictures of your wiring?

Thank you,

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Re: Sega Windsor Payouts Wrong, Jackpot Tube Install, etc.

Postby coppinpr » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:20 am

sirswift76 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:29 pm
Can you also show me close up pictures of your wiring?
Well this is the problem... most of these are all-mechanical, with only the lights electric. I've had 4 in the past and all were mechanical coin entry. The reason there is such a variation on these is that it would seem Sega made these as a jobbing project; they sold the basic units to suppliers and revampers so they could add features and themes of their own. I've had all mechanical machines and ones with electric features and even hold buttons. No two electric setups are the same, unless you happen to find one from the same supplier. You're going to need to trace it out a little and then get back to us and the eletrickery experts will help out.
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Can you send me a close up picture of how the jackpot hardware is bolted down and setup to be mechanically Pushed open?
These are, perhaps, the simplest jackpots ever. The peg on the JP slide (top slide) just goes through the hole on the JP (A) and when the slide retreats it pulls the payout section of the JP (C) round, pivoting on the peg (B). When the machine resets, the JP slide will return the JP to the start position.The jackpot payout section has a plate attached that follows the payout across and stops the next load of coins from dropping until the JP resets.
The jackpot just bolts down onto the base plate with (I think) two bolts in (D) (one is hidden behind the jackpot in the photo).
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The payouts are correct when the wheels land on the correct images. However, there are payouts when the wheels land on incorrect images but not all incorrect but images
Ok, then you need to do some work to find the cause. First, are the incorrect payouts always the same ones? If so, you need to set up the incorrect payouts (see how to stop the fan in "hints and tips" for the fastest way to do this) and see if the vertical payout finger for two coins falls through a hole in the first two payout discs at that point. If it does, then it will pay two coins. That's the way it's been designed, and we can make changes to stop it. If the finger does not enter a hole going through two payout discs in the incorrect payout position and it still pays two coins, tell us and we can move on elsewhere.
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Re: Sega Windsor Payouts Wrong, Jackpot Tube Install, etc.

Postby sirswift76 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:43 pm

This is has to be the most thorough help I have received on any forum; thank you for your thoughtfulness.

I clearly see how the second switch on the left should trip the second pull. When the lever off the bottom left mechanism goes from front to back and trips the bottom left switch it pulls the solenoid exactly the same way the coin microswitch does. However, what part of the mechanics stops a third pull without dropping in another coin?

I will work on tracking all the payouts and non payout combinations and read the hints and tips.

I think I will also convert the machine back to take 5 Pence coins since the machines graphics all state Pence. I found a website that sells coins and they have 5 Pence coins with dates that are era specific to the Windsor. The 5 Pence coins are only $30 for 250 coins.

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Re: Sega Windsor Payouts Wrong, Jackpot Tube Install, etc.

Postby coppinpr » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:49 pm

Good idea to convert back to 5p, much nicer !THUMBS!
However, what part of the mechanics stops a third pull without dropping in another coin?
This remains to be seen, there must be a switch(lets call it Z) that puts the solenoid to an active position ready for the timing lever switch (bottom left) to complete the circuit, after the second pull this switch (Z) must go to the off position so that when the timing lever switch connects the circuit is still not complete.

This kind of interrupt on a slot is usually achieved in one of three ways 1. a cog turns every time the lever is pulled switching Z off after two pulls, 2. a solenoid is activated on the first pull and stays on until the coin drops during the second pull hitting (Z) (which is always no otherwise) as it goes by breaking the solenoid circuit 3. the coin holds the micro switch (Z) in the on position till the coin drops during the second pull. all these are possible but by no means the only options. first thing to check is the passage of the coin,how quickly does it fall into the payout coin chute (becoming a spent coin) after one pull or two?

My guess is some version of option 2.

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Re: Sega Windsor Payouts Wrong, Jackpot Tube Install, etc.

Postby sirswift76 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:04 pm

The coin drops into the payout chute immediately.

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Re: Sega Windsor Payouts Wrong, Jackpot Tube Install, etc.

Postby sirswift76 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:13 pm

I also just noticed that I am missing a bracket the attached to the jackpot tube that appears in your photo. It’s the piece that attaches to the post to the payout slide. Do you have a part number for that or can you show me a pix of that piece so I can fabricate it?
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I also noticed that the jackpot tube has the diameter to hold half dollars or the equivalent of that in English currency. The payout placard says jackpot is £4 + 55 pence. So I guess that makes sense. £1 pound is probably the size of a half dollar. But why do us quarters fit perfectly in the payout tube?
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Re: Sega Windsor Payouts Wrong, Jackpot Tube Install, etc.

Postby coppinpr » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:37 pm

I would gladly post some photos,problem is,I havnt had one of these for some years , In fact ,I was recently thinking Id like one to work on,they scrub up so well,these are the last ones I did, the "Adams apple" had a great feature added.
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I could see the jackpot chute was missing,not hard to make, a tube to hold (I think) 8 x 50p pieces,attached to a bar leading to the pivot with another bar on the other side of the pivot bolted to the slide conector(which I think you still have) the tube needs a plate attached to slide over the payout tube to stop the rest of the coins from dropping.

the 1/- coin that became the 5p is much the same size as a 25c and,as I said earlier the jackpot paid 50p coins (I dont think we had £1 coins at that time), I dont know if it will make a difference but the 50p coin of that date was larger than the one we have now.
someone on the fotum MUST have one of these to show you jackpot slide.

So it not the coin that controlls the two plays,so it has to be (i think) either the coin fires one solinoid which stays on till the handle is pulled a second time breaking the citcuit or a combination of 1 solinoid and one switch or two solinoids works an interupt to the circuit on the second pull, either way something mechanical would need to break the handle pull circuit

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Re: Sega Windsor Payouts Wrong, Jackpot Tube Install, etc.

Postby sirswift76 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:31 am

I love your Red Buckingham! So the photo of the jackpot chute you marked up is not yours I’m figuring. I am just missing the part you have labeled A.


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