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SS Automatic Machine Co. Fascination identified

Postby coppinpr » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:10 pm

Has anyone any information about this machine? I've never seen its like.
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Re: Unknown Fascination machine?

Postby coppinpr » Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:58 pm

I've asked the owner for more details if possible, he says it is a greyhound racing theme featuring Mick the Miller, so early '30s. He also says there is a plate marked "patent pending 3217". Is that searchable?

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Re: Unknown Fascination machine?

Postby pennymachines » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:41 pm

Yes, I saw the number, but don't know any way of searching historical pending patents. Presumably if it was granted, the number stays the same. There is a patent number 3217 in our database granted to D Thomas for a spinner, in 1908, but the game above looks circa 1930s.

Never seen one. Not exactly beautiful, but certainly curious, and it's always interesting to see another oddball, unknown British game.

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Re: Unknown Fascination machine?

Postby gameswat » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:48 pm

pennymachines wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:41 pm
Presumably if it was granted, the number stays the same.
I don't think that's what happened PM. I've searched many Patent Application numbers listed on machines and advertising and don't remember ever having gotten a hit. Those numbers were likely only published at the time in journals and then forgotten, either the invention failed to receive a Patent or the actual Patent number was then issued. They wouldn't want the same numbers because unscrupulous inventors would only apply, put the number on the machine and leave it at that to scare others away. Many times I found Application numbers like this (12345/19), the last two digits being the year the application was made, so at least they gave up that piece of information.

I imagine the machine is by SS Automatic Machine Co, Coventry, very short lived with three other games listed all 1937. As in Braithwaite Arcades book page 90.

Note the front casting mold pattern appears to have been made from Masonite sheet with the texture side out as showing in the background sections.

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Re: Unknown Fascination machine?

Postby brigham » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:06 pm

I love these Greyhound Racers. They combine two of my interests.
It's certainly a change from the Clement & Whales/Caille types.
Three 'known' dogs on this one, too.
There MUST be a clue in 'S S', surely?

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Re: Unknown Fascination machine?

Postby pennymachines » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:16 pm

That's interesting Gameswat. I know it's also illegal (unsurprisingly) to stick on a false patent pending notice. I assumed SS referred to the manufacturer, but I didn't think to look it up. !DOH! As Braithwaite observes, "An unfortunate choice of title..." 1937 sounds about right datewise.

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Re: SS Automatic Machine Co. Fascination identified

Postby brigham » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:31 am

Seeing that there is no indication of the specific game on the casting, I'm inclined to think that the other three games use it as well.
All sightings welcome, as the ornithologists say...

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Re: SS Automatic Machine Co. Fascination identified

Postby coppinpr » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:58 am

Thanks for the replies. The forum always digs deep. !THUMBS!

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Re: SS Automatic Machine Co. Fascination identified

Postby treefrog » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:26 am

It is not a spinner, so wonder what the play is. Very few points of selection, almost as if you should have a preselector. Also it says 'amusement only'. Is it really a gaming machine? And the name does not relate to greyhounds... Maybe if you ever get a picture of the inside, or the instructions card, it may help. !PUZZLED!

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Re: SS Automatic Machine Co. Fascination identified

Postby coppinpr » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:21 am

Some detailed and interesting photos turned up today, and things are................clearer? Tom, is I think, right. The top section is in fact only a selector, a small window in the award card section seems to be the result of a predetermined wheel, much like a "stock broker". The award card says 'amusement only' as the results are predetermined and "you can't gamble on a certainty". Could it be the Greyhound theme is a total red herring added by a later operator to give a very poor play a bit of interest? (What looks like the original award card inside the case would also hint at this). The greyhound payouts have to be operator paid, as the machine only returns one coin on insertion of another coin(?) So there is one certainty: you will lose one coin, at least if you play this machine. Not surprising the company didn't last long with such poor play machines!
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