Sega Imperial: no payout on cherry & adjust reel stops

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Re: Sega Imperial - no payout on 1 cherry

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Hi,

Yes that picture requested answers some but not all questions and, as TF says, the manual would cover cycling of the mechanism plus initial vertical slide sequence, but not actual payout, jackpot or the coin acceptor parts of this machine. However, if likely to buy more machines, it's likely to be of use in its entirety then.

If you could clarify what it pays for oranges, plums and bells. In addition, when the 3 stars pays 2 tokens, does it pay 1 token, then another 1 token, e.g. as a repeat action or 2 as one action? There will hopefully be a member who has more experience on this particular model with em/electronic pay.
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Re: Sega Imperial - no payout on 1 cherry

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See attached image.

All payouts pay (apart from JP and special) from the first vertical tube directly from the coin slot. This also tops itself up from coins coming in from the user.

For each win eg 3 oranges it will trigger the actuator or.plunger 10 times and pay out 10 coins from the first pay tube.

Only the special and jackpot are paid from the token tube which has to be manually fed. The actuator for this pay out works exactly the same firing twice for two tokens for a special and once for a JP.

Hope this helps... Happy for the support and help here.
I love the machine as it is, but am just naturally curious as to how it works !
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Re: Sega Imperial - no payout on 1 cherry

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To absolutely clarify the plunger when it fires 10 times the coins will fall out as individual coins not in one drop.. so coin 1 then 2 then 3 like every split second rather than hearing a noise 10 times then all 10 coins drop at the same time.

You had probably guessed this but just wanted to say.
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Re: Sega Imperial - no payout on 1 cherry

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In case anyone is interested this is what is at the back of the cabinet once the mech is removed.

The vertical pay arms.. currently the first pin is striking the 5 coin (2 cherry ) pay out switch as the arm was able to pass through the 1st and 2nd pay wheels.

The other pics should show the main interface port that controls the solenoids for the payout...

I figure each pin on the interface will correspond with a single wire on the pay switches and coin detection. The use of this old style "comm" port i think is to enable the mech to be removed without having to always remove wires from a connector block.

Getting the multimeter out there is continuity between bottom row right last two pins and middle row rightmost pin. Only those 3 pins have continuity with each other.

Also i figure that these same switches for payouts will also trigger the counters to increment in the top box.
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Re: Sega Imperial - no payout on 1 cherry

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Thanks for clarifying.

Well if it's all paying out, as TF says, you just need to experiment to see what thickness and diameter the token payout would operate best with, then find the appropriate option. Someone, possibly a forum member, may have the same model and may have original tokens. They may let you have a few if they have a tube full and at least you could play the machine to full extent and just have to reinsert limited tokens by hand after a couple of jackpot wins or a 2 token payout. Tokens always come up for sale too, at least if you get visibility of correct token, you can try to source the correct option. I'll check my tokens but don't think I have any Sega ones currently.
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Adjust Sega reel brakes

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Hi all,

I have a Sega Imperial and am looking to try and adjust the brakes as it seems that all three reels brake at the same time and not in that smooth 1-2-3 like I see with other mechanical machines.

I have looked at the bar that releases the brakes and it would seem that it releases them all at pretty much the same time.

I have included a pic of the bar and hoping if someone can tell me if the bar is correct. Is it genuine for this machine or if I'm missing something simple?

Included is the pic and hopefully a video... Edit it doesn't like the video files...
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Re: Adjust reel brakes

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Hi mickeyblue ......

It's hard to guess without seeing a video. To post a video you need to first upload it to a host site like Youtube, and then post a link to it here.
I'm guessing your photo shows it at rest, perhaps another one showing it just before the mech fires. If they are all going together I'm wondering if dried grease is slowing their drop when released or if "The dog & anvil" needs adjusting to let the bar push in to its extreme. Does it happen soon after pulling the handle. If you don't know "The dog & anvil" put it in the search box above, there's plenty about it on this forum.

Incidentally, and purely to avoid confusion due to terminology.
Those are called The Stops and not The Brakes.
The Brakes are three slender wires that are fitted at the back of the mech and are in constant contact with the hub on each reel and stop them from spinning too fast, without stopping them.

BP
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Thanks for the feedback. Apologies for incorrect naming, I'm very new to this.

I've recorded 3 videos... I've removed the reels to hopefully give you all a better look at things.







Thanks

Mike
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Re: Adjust reel brakes

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Additional

I'm thinking that maybe the "feet" part of the stops are slightly bent to the side.. as I figure reel 1 stops foot should be in that u shaped hole on far right... reel 2 is about right and 3 should follow the little extra bit of metal that extends out..

What do people think ?
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You might be right. It looks like they may have been bent previously. Maybe the middle one needs to be further over to the left, but I cannot see the ridges properly on the timing bar. The timing bar should her steps for each of the brake arms, graduated based on the order.
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I think Tom is right, also it all seems very stiff. Los of oxidised grease on what we can see, so cleaning everything and (lightly) oiling will definitely help. If you pull the reel stops back one at a time are they nice and free with the springs pulling them firmly against the timing bar? Bending them back into place should not be a problem if done with care. Even the Mills company used bending as part of the final setting up of machines. :cool:
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Re: Adjust reel brakes

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Hi all. Exactly what I thought from taking the reels out. The feet were misaligned. So with a bit of light bending and lots of minor adjustments it nows gives that lovely 1-2-3 on the reels.

Amazing. I think that's now everything working as I think it should on this machine now.

Many thanks to all and the suggestions. I'll take it apart again at the weekend a give some parts a clean down.

But to be honest the reels spins quite freely and the stops have a nice snap back to them so, yes, it's greasy and oily in there but it doesn't seem too gunky... at least to my inexperienced eyes.
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Re: Adjust Sega reel brakes

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What does the multi-way electrical connection do?
I don't like the look of that. Not one bit!
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Re: Adjust Sega reel brakes

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The connector is just a standard mech to case connector. I don't see anything unusual in it. You can see switches inside the mech., so there must be special features etc. that need linking to the case. :!?!:
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Re: Adjust Sega reel brakes

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You have short memories. This Imperial has electrickery on the payouts, so no slide stack, lots of leaf contacts etc.......

Re: Sega Imperial - no payout on 1 cherry

It must make a hell of a sound when paying the jackpot with the single solenoid. !OMFG!
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Re: Sega Imperial: no payout on cherry & adjust reel stops

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I'm working on my Aristo Grosvenor Electronic again, and it's a nightmare.
You simply can't see if anything is working. There's some sort of guitar-pickup thing to count the coins out of the hopper; no moving parts.
I'll be sticking to all-mechanical or electro-mechanical from now on.
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Re: Sega Imperial: no payout on cherry & adjust reel stops

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@treefrog

With the case open the sound of the solenoids releasing the pull arm and firing the payouts is quite loud as is the hum of the transformer for the lights etc.... but once you close the case it dampens it quite a bit. But yes a solenoid firing coins especially for a 18 coin big win but not jackpot (as a jp is only 1 token from the token tube) fires the coins out with some force but its reminscent of my childhood trips to the arcade where the sound of the payout would draw kids from all over the building to see what had just dropped.

@brigham id be interested to see the inside of you machine if its not too much trouble. See the similarities and differences.
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