Aristocrat Moneytree

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Re: Aristocrat Moneytree

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Thanks… You have scared me a little about adjusting the dog and anvil. 😊
I have created a small video showing what the machine is doing, so would appreciate your advice… and if the issue is the dog and anvil. Cheers



Hi BP
Thank you for your advice.
Are saying the dog should sit UNDER the anvil?
Thanks
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Re: Aristocrat Moneytree

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Let's not get confused with strange names. Let's call the bit on the left A and the one on the right B.

When the machine is at rest A is below B and both are horizontal.

As the handle is pulled A raises and starts to tip B, until it tips b so far that A passes it.
B then drops. This fires the machine.
As the handle raises A slides past B, and the machine is at rest.

Re-reading all of your posts I see that Treefrog advised you to check that nothing is jamming the slides, did you do that?
Also he tells you how to release the pressure by reversing the ratchet, have you done that?

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Re: Aristocrat Moneytree

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Hi BP

I have thoroughly checked the machine as advised by Treefrog for anything jamming it but I cannot find anything. I have removed the coin tube….
My machine is different as in the pic posted by Treefrog so I’m not 100% sure where my ratchet is but I will take a closer look tomorrow.
Can I ask you to please clarify a couple of points.
1. You said that my Dog And Anvil are clearly misaligned. Can you please advise how it should be?
2. When you say slides….what exactly are you referring to? Pardon my ignorance but I have little idea about these machines - as you can tell.
I will try and take a video of what the machine does outside the case as advised by Treefrog once I find that ratchet.
From the video I sent did that provide any clue as to why the reels are not spinning?
Thank you
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Re: Aristocrat Moneytree

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Look at the picture I shared - by the red screwdriver tip you should see a small pinion that locks on the operator teeth holding the arm in its current position. You need to push down with the left screwdriver to release pressure on the pinion... This will bring the mechanism back to normal state.

Your dog may be OK, and does not look misaligned. As mentioned, undoing the nut you can slide in and out, but this can affect timing if not the cause.

Release the arm first, check over the machine and try operating again.
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Re: Aristocrat Moneytree

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tommy1 wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:28 pm Hi BP

I have thoroughly checked the machine as advised by Treefrog for anything jamming it but I cannot find anything. I have removed the coin tube….
My machine is different as in the pic posted by Treefrog so I’m not 100% sure where my ratchet is but I will take a closer look tomorrow.
Your ratchet will be exactly where TF is pointing to on his, both machines are the same.
Can I ask you to please clarify a couple of points.
1. You said that my Dog And Anvil are clearly misaligned. Can you please advise how it should be?
"When the machine is at rest A is below B and both are horizontal."
2. When you say slides….what exactly are you referring to?
Pardon my ignorance but I have little idea about these machines - as you can tell.
The slides are what deliver the coins you win from the bottom of the brass tube. TF asked you if there were any coins jammed in them, you said they were empty
I will try and take a video of what the machine does outside the case as advised by Treefrog once I find that ratchet.
From the video I sent did that provide any clue as to why the reels are not spinning? Yes, the kicker only spins the reels when the mechanism fires, and we know yours hasn't fired because as I said, As the handle is pulled A raises and starts to tip B, until it tips B so far that A passes it. B then drops. This fires the machine. That hasn't happened because your handle can't go down any further, it's jammed so A can't raise B allowing it to fire. That's why TF and I have urged you to release the ratchet, take the strain off it and allow it to go back to rest.
Thank you
I fear this is too much for anyone to take in at the very beginning. I know I was a good year into hands on experience with 3 reelers before I understood at this level. Where are you? Maybe we have a member nearby who could show you in less confusing ways. This feels like sorting apples by phone.
As we keep saying, until you reverse the ratchet and get it back to rest, nothing else can be tackled.
It's a bit like a car owner phoning a garage asking why their car has all its warning lights on and won't start. And the garage keeps saying, "but until we get it out of the ditch and the right way up there's nothing more we can do at the moment".

So, you need to get that far.
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all great advice as usual, no one has mentioned that you need to take care releasing the mech, a lot of energy gets stored up in the machine during the wind-up cycle and yours is stuck close to the top of the cycle when you release the pressure things will happen quickly and you need to avoid one of these things being your fingers flying past your ear (its not that bad really but it can hurt you big time) :cool:
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Re: Aristocrat Moneytree

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Thanks to all with your advice. I am a raw beginner but each time I read your advice and go back to the machine I learn more. I really appreciate your patience.

I have attached a video link showing the cycle and what happens. Reels want to move but only give a tease….😢



I think I have found the ratchet which is different on my machine. See pic A. It locks one of the 3 ratchet wheels which sit alongside the reels. Disengaging that makes little difference.

I also noticed a couple of things which seem odd to me.
See pic B these plastic blocks sit partially over the coin deposit hole and during the cycle move forward slightly but not enough to align to the hole??? Is that correct?

Also noticed a part at the back of the machine which does nothing during the cycle and doesn’t seem to be connected to anything bar a spring. I can simply move it with my finger. See pics C and D.
Appreciate your comments…
Tony
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Re: Aristocrat Moneytree

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I have already shared a picture of the ratchet in question and yes it will be the same as your machine, in fact on Mills, Jubilees etc etc... I will see if I can get a closer picture or one or video showing what to do. The item highlighted in picture A is the reel kicker that will for the reels around.

The back items in C And D will only come into play once machine has cycled and are all part of the timing of various parts dropping into place.

The plastic blocks in B are the coin slides, it looks like you are missing some as should be stacked to the top under the slide cover. There is an odd part I have highlighted below, can you check what this is or if it moves as it looks like a foreign object...
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Re: Aristocrat Moneytree

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Ok thanks Treefrog, I will check that part tomorrow and take a closer look for that ratchet.
Can you tell me anything from the video??? Is it functioning properly? Or is it still incomplete?
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Re: Aristocrat Moneytree

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You don’t need to worry about the ratchet as your machine does trip past the dog. Check that foreign object I mentioned; nothing should be there other than the slides stops and horizontal fingers.
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