BMCo/Bolland's allwins identified

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Re: My New Allwin

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Good find, Greg. It looks to be in good shape with only the slight modification to the US penny. One of the major problems with that modification (other than the obvious molestation) is that the small US penny will most likely not be heavy enough to consistently trip the ball release lever. As you noted, removing the plastic shims inside the coin slide will return the mechanism to original.

I like the current backflash with the UV softening in the main play field. I would not mess with that were it mine. As Mr. PM noted, the coin entry plate should not be a significant challenge to recreate.

Well done on acquisition.

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Allwin ID and info please

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Topic merged - Site Admin.

Another question sent to the penny-arcade.info site, member would like to know what this is and its history... So would I :!?!: Is it for real ? It looks old.
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Re: Allwin ID and info please

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!PUZZLED! You don’t recognise maker......you can tell at least from the coin return if anything...BMco......which model, will let someone into them answer....

Same type sold at elephant 8 years ago for £480
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Re: BMCo allwins identified

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I've merged Coppin's query with an older one which shows a similar '30s BMCo allwin (posted by JP) with the the Deco-style cabinet and glitter flash.

The EH example above appears to have a newly-made cabinet which doesn't follow BMCo design or dimensions.
The one below was sold at Chippenham Auctions last Saturday.
As far as I know, these allwins don't have a name.
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Re: BMCo allwins identified

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Is there any chance of seeing the workings of the blue machine? I'm new to the penny machine game and bought my first machine yesterday and it's the same as the blue one. I'm not sure if everything is there, as it was a box of bits.

Any help would be appreciated,
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Re: BMCo allwins identified

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Hi Pennyket,
I don't own the above machine, but if you post a picture of what you have, I'm sure we can identify what's missing.
All BM Co. manual payout allwins are much the same inside.
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Re: BMCo allwins identified

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These are photos of my semi assembled machine. Any advice would be great.

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Re: BMCo allwins identified

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Nice … I think there may be a screw and a couple of washers absent!?

BP :-(
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Odd, there are usually holes and a route in the backboard for the losing ball to travel. It appears only to be a (large) route for the winning ball. !PUZZLED!
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Argee, I imagine the two lose holes just let the ball drop through to the exit hole below. |/XX\|
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It's either that gameswat or the woodworm has devoured the lose holes as well. :burp: :lol:
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pennyket wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:53 pm Is there any chance of seeing the workings of the blue machine?
Some images of another example. The back of the case is thin sheet steel.
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Re: BMCo allwins identified

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That is great thank you so much. I can now cross reference the photos and see what I'm missing. Cheers
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Bollands allwin

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Hi, just want to get some more information on this machine. I haven’t see one before and not familiar with Bollands. Is this a rare machine??
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Re: Bollands

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Nice machine, almost looks BMCo….. !!THUMBSX2!!
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Yes, we normally say these slightly Deco-style allwins are made by BMCo., but the applied logo trumps our guesswork. The activities of Bolland's and BMCo. are much entwined. Bolland's worked in conjunction with BMCo. and in 1938, "injected capital by means of a partnership with their MD" (Braithwaite). I've merged your topic with this existing one and relabelled it as your machine is perhaps telling us that these Deco allwins are more Bolland's than BMCo.

Gameswat posted this Bolland's decal to Resources from, "an early '30s machine of mine". Curious to know what machine that was...
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Re: BMCo/Bolland's allwins identified

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But that decal doesn't automatically imply manufacturing since he was a famous dealer in used machines. I have that same Bolland's decal on both ends of an early German two player machine I own.
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Re: BMCo/Bolland's allwins identified

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That's certainly true, and likewise BMCo. were primarily dealers, at least in their early days. My point really is that the strong business cooperation between the two companies (plus a lack of documentation of BMCo.'s output) makes it hard sometimes to distinguish who made what. As you say, it may be more likely that this allwin was made by BMCo. but sold by Bolland's.

What machine was your decal on, or is it a secret? !SHSSS!
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Re: BMCo/Bolland's allwins identified

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pennymachines wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:31 pm
What machine was your decal on, or is it a secret? !SHSSS!
Already on here. Currently in a ton of bits having the heavy rust dealt with, well was being dealt with but been left now for months.....
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