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Re: I need balls!

Postby jingle » Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:54 pm

this is what it should look like
i dug this picture out of my pc
when i seen these on ebay
this machine is nr 100 years old
can you see the difference
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US collector with Victory Flags

Postby aristomatic » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:37 am

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Re: us collector with victory flag

Postby gameswat » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:48 am

Nice machine though for such an early beast is very over restored, especially with that brand new background baize. And the patched in wood wasn't done well, by the lock is terrible, looks like fir or something?

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Re: us collector with victory flag

Postby arrgee » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:01 am

Interesting reply from Freddy Bailey:

Al,
Your machine was made in 1913 by Bill Thompson, his company was called The Coin Operating Company based in Birmingham, the original machine was called AllieI Flags, but after World War I he called it the Concoring Flags, or the Victory Flags, prior to World War I The German company Jentzsch & Meer started a law suite over copyright, but when the first World War broke out in 1914, the law suite could not go ahead and Thompson carried on making copies of the German machines including the popular Clown model. Bill Thompson died in 1939.

Your machine unfortunately is not very collectable here in the States, in Europe it would bring around $1,200-$1.700 if it is totally original, I would suggest you contact The Gauselmann Museum in Germany, they may be interested, they have about 700 wall machines in their collection.
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Re: us collector with victory flag

Postby gameswat » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:26 am

I've never seen these claimed as so early. Was going to do some more research into these anyway as have a Conquering Flags to restore.

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Re: us collector with victory flag

Postby arrgee » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:59 am

It will be interesting to see what your research comes up with GW. No doubt you will be posting your progress on the Flags machine restoration /\UK/\
Gameswat wrote:I've never seen these claimed as so early
I have dug this out of my hard drive, been sitting there since 2007, when I saw it. It was advertised as being made in 1916 by the Automatic Novelty Co :!?!:
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Re: us collector with victory flag

Postby sweetmeats » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:33 pm

The machine shown by Arrgee is Allied Flags. I agree with both the date and manufacturer. The third similar machine, and the most complicated, is called the Conquerors' Flags (picture added below). This has parts similar to Handan-I machines, so may have been made by them?
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Re: us collector with victory flag

Postby gameswat » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:36 pm

A few Conquerors' Flags mech photos showing the complexity.
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Re: us collector with victory flag

Postby arrgee » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:11 pm

Very nice example Sweetmeats
I see the actual catching cup has what looks like a Bulldog motif, I wonder whether this is a WW1 machine with the motif serving as an analogy of the British Bulldog fighting spirit and aggression that this fellow has always had.
"over the top chaps! British Bulldog spirit - tally hoo!"
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Re: US collector with Victory Flags

Postby coppinpr » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:31 pm

arrgee wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:59 am
It was advertised as being made in 1916 by the Automatic Novelty Co
It couldn't have been made in 1916, it does not have the Japanese flag which disappears from the "flags of the allies" by late 1916 (although technically they stayed in the war till the end) but, more importantly, it does have the American flag who did not join the war till 1917. :didact: :lol:


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