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Re: Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:02 pm
by paulbohlmann
thanks pennymachines !
your machine is the "normal TURA Silent" -
see picture below - how nice colored it was once...

interested in pricing ? the Silent was sold for 620,- RM (Reichsmark)
and the Silent with douple Jackpot was sold for 685,- RM -
that was pretty much money at this time,
if you consider that a Bajjazo was sold for around 80,- RM

BPs machine is indeed the "GOLDSIEGEL"
a very rare and nice model - it gives an extra medal for a special combination. I'm really jealous!

The "MERKUR" was produced in 1955, and there was a "MERKUR Favorit" build in 1956,
also conversions from old three-wheel-machines by "Automatenbau Rhein Ruhr"

After the WW2 they had to change the machines -
playtime was minimum 15 seconds and the maximum payout was 1,- Mark.
(so that is why you normaly would have in a machine after WW2 another clock
and a not working Jackpot, also often figures instead of fruits.


Regards Marco

Re: Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:28 pm
by pennymachines
Great info Paul! I didn't realize there were so many versions.

Do you know what date the GOLDSIEGEL was introduced?
And what about the third picture in my last post - looks like the TURA Silent, but with a double jackpot?

Re: Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:41 pm
by badpenny
Fantastic feedback Paul, it's not often anyone is jealous of me, for any reason ...... I think my Tura Belln is around 1935? (which is just after half past seven at night).

Badpenny

Re: Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:36 pm
by paulbohlmann
And what about the third picture in my last post - looks like the TURA Silent, but with a double jackpot?
Yes, it looks like the TURA SILENT DOPPELJACKPOT mentioned in my other post....
I think my Tura Belln is around 1935
The "Goldsiegel" was first presented at the autumn-fair in 1933.
See below a report from this fair...
I try to translate it:
The "last scream" is the new Arcade Slot Machine "Tura Goldsiegel",
a machine at its best, hundred percent in mechanics and function.
This machine pays in addition to the known winnings in individual cases the "Golden Tura" token as special prize,
an innovation that will bring a lot of friends to this new slot machine. This technical masterpiece stands alone,
in perfection of form and beauty.


Also a Picture from the TURA booth at this fair.
Do not worry, about all the flags... that was 1933, it was Germany and TURA was a very German company.
Eventually the director, Mr.Schwarz, died at a Bomber attack in April 1945....

Regards Marco.

Re: Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:10 pm
by treefrog
Now that is a interesting photo.

Yes BP, I remember your machine now - sounds like you have a good un there... better improve on my bartering skills. The first machine in this thread is so similar to the one you are after in Australia - the Middlehurst Coronet.

Re: Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:45 am
by coppinpr
very intriguing photo, the company must have been keen on the Nazi party or at least paid lip service to it, I know the national socialists banned slot machines in Germany but I don't know when (I'm sure someone can tell me) The company must have been well p--- of when they did. Clearly they started up again after the war,were they subject to the short life span rules that other German makers were subject to (I think 4 years then the machine had to be scrapped or exported)? Or did they not re-start till that rule was abolished ?

I dont think Id want to play a machine in the front row, those stands! they look so flimsy :NBG:

Re: Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:11 am
by andydotp
Middlehurst Coronet T-F? !PUZZLED!
Though I do seem to recall having owned a particulary special one once. :cry:
Either went out on hard rubbish day or is one of them out in the backyard, enjoying Melbourne's '4 seasons in one day' weather !!UHOH!!

Re: Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:36 pm
by badpenny
treefrog wrote:......... The first machine in this thread is so similar to the one you are after in Australia - the Middlehurst Coronet.
Really, do you think so? Can't say I had noticed! !SQUELCH!
coppinpr wrote:very intriguing photo, the company must have been keen on the Nazi party or at least paid lip service to it, I know the national socialists banned slot machines in Germany but I don't know when (I'm sure someone can tell me) The company must have been well p--- of when they did.
Having lived for a few years in a Dictator ruled Police State I'd suggest anybody who depended upon a trouble free business day without legalised thugs disrupting everything would be more than happy to flap a few flags around.

When I researched my Tura Bell (Story in The Arena) somebody (can't remember whom) told me that it was Mr Hitler himself upon his appointment to Chancellor in 1933 who unexpectedly legalised slot machines. The bigger story being that his plans for the immediate future would require inordinate quantities of aluminium, the purchase of which, without a domestic reason would attract interest from his neighbours who were already curiously stroking their chins over some of his activities which contravened the Treaty of Versailles like building an air force when Germany was only allowed gliders etc etc.
It seems after a few years production, the law was changed making them all illegal and consequently confiscated, along with other various home products that could feed the war machine.
I sold my second machine a Heros to an American Collector who told me that Mills had been active in helping Schwarz in setting up (probably under licence?) and that many of the first batch were either made in USA and exported as complete machines or parts to be assembled in Germany. None of them staying in the USA so they are rare over there, but being a serious Mills collector he wanted one to fill the gap.

How much of the above is twaddle I do not know, I doubt we'll get to the bottom of it even if Adolf turns up at Coventry for us to ask. The last time anyone representing him visited Coventry they got as close as 8,000 feet and spoilt everybody's sleep.
I don't think he had a particular interest in slots just the materials that went into them.
andydotp wrote:Middlehurst Coronet T-F? !PUZZLED!
Though I do seem to recall having owned a particulary special one once. :cry:
Either went out on hard rubbish day or is one of them out in the backyard, enjoying Melbourne's '4 seasons in one day' weather !!UHOH!!
Better bring it back inside Andy, in case Hitler gets to hear about it ....... >!!???!!<

Re: Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:42 pm
by pennymachines
badpenny wrote:
treefrog wrote:......... The first machine in this thread is so similar to the one you are after in Australia - the Middlehurst Coronet.
Really, do you think so? Can't say I had noticed!
I see what froggy's getting at - all those soft curves. The Coronet wins the beauty contest though.

Re: Schwarz / Tura / AR-R German bandits

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:55 pm
by badpenny
ANDY....... ANDY!!!!

Quick check your back garden I think Mr P's knicked it.

NURSEY ...... NURSEY!!!!

He's out of bed again.