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Only saying ..........

Postby badpenny » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:00 pm

I've been doing a bit of tidying up of my private messages and posts on this forum.

I've come to realise how often we get asked to solve a problem, it's not always new comers, but generally is.
Often many posts appear asking questions, solutions offered .... everybody happy and grateful.

However there is an irritatingly high number of those pleading for assistance who are given numerous clues of what to do, who then basically *&#! off .... no please, thank you or kiss my &+~*

I don't need my ego stroking, I just feel it's basic good manners.
Probably more than anything I want to know if we were correct or indeed have something new to learn. Too often It seems though it's too much effort to write back and say: -
A) Yup, that did it, thanks guys
Or even .......
B) Strewth you lot are hopeless, thanks for the effort but I've lost interest now.

Sadly we also have a couple of long time members who only ask questions and then shuffle back into the shadows.

I think my favourite one this year was the one that ignored every question put to them and just came back with more questions. Even though they were directed to HERE. Where the answer was detailed. Three times that happened. They then finally replied with "Yay for me !!THUMBSX2!! I fixed it!" ...... and then descibed basically what was contained in the link. :dammit:
I'm also amazed that it's always the same half a dozen members that respond, offering help. There are many out there who know so much more and don't contribute at all. I asked a fellow slotty a while back why they hadn't helped out on a particular problem, when I knew he had rebuilt the same kind of machine and knew them back to front. His reason was ... "It's taken me years to learn that, why should I give away my knowledge for nowt?"

My response to that is, if you don't give back to the hobby you contribute to strangling it.
I'd hazard a guess there are less people joining than leaving, and if you look around you at the average age of collectors there's likely to be even more going.
Well that's my moan over, I shall still respond to enquiries and do my best to help as I hope will the usual suspects.

BP :byee: ..... now fifty twelve years old and clearly displaying grumpy tendancies.

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Re: Only saying ..........

Postby coppinpr » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:40 pm

Thanks BP !!THUMBSX2!! !!CHEERS!! !!YIPPEE!! !WORSHIPFULL! for ALL you do for the good of this forum, it IS appreciated, and thats a fact!!

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Re: Only saying ..........

Postby badpenny » Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:05 pm

Thanks for that coppinpr ..... I was including you in the merry band of contributors that always responds to calls for help.
I was just moaning ........

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Re: Only saying ..........

Postby clubconsoles » Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:36 pm

I think its the case on a lot of forums that people join, ask for help with the one post, and never come back to post again.
It also seemed like that on the classic car forum i used to post on!
I am amazed at how lazy some are when,despite repeated requests for pictures, they fail to post any.
In my opinion, if ten newbies post, and only one goes on to really take the plunge with additional machine purchases, then the time helping out the other nine will have been worthwhile.
Don't forget there are many out there who just want the one machine for their game room and have no real interest in collecting further machines, so why should we expect them to come back and make further posts?
I am in my early 50s and i know a few younger collectors are entering the hobby now, which can only be a good thing.
I can see a time, in the not too distant future, when ALL coin operated machines will be a thing of the past with near field payments via debit cards. This will hopefully help the hobby as I think the nostalgia for these devices can only increase with many of the older machines being seen as works of art in their own right as well as functioning antiques.

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Re: Only saying ..........

Postby widget2k4 » Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:41 pm

Well said old chap :)
I'm not a long time member on here but I do try and help out whenever I can, I also noticed its only half a dozen or so members that chirp up with help all the time,
I also stopped posting stuff in the resources as after all the hours I spend recreating or fixing them I don't recall yet anyone saying thanks for the effort or anything, the resources I think should be made a paying area to visit?
Or maybe I'm just being grumpy and moaning like you BP, maybe it's catching lol

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Re: Only saying ..........

Postby john t peterson » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:20 am

Here's my 2 cents.

The internet has encouraged a general sense of entitlement. It's all free!!! (other than the connection fee and you can get that FREE too from your local Starbucks or library or unsuspecting neighbor.) As newspapers have learned to their dismay, once you offer something for nothing, people resent the idea of even having to pay a pittance for something they once got for free.

This generalized feeling that I can get what I want for free off the internet encourages the notion that there is no cost involved with the production of the information requested. It's a short jump from the concept of "no cost" to "no thanks" for information provided. That, coupled with a more general sense of entitlement, produces the effect BP laments.

We all know differently. It's taken most of us years to acquire the knowledge that we now share with the newbies, for free. As noted above, this encourages the next generation of collectors as well as those who just want to understand and enjoy the pleasures of times that will not be repeated.

There is a grander purpose. Knowledge expands the human experience like helium to a balloon. It's like bread cast upon the waters. We cannot know the full effect of our sharing our collective knowledge of this wonderful hobby. Despite the greedy know-nothings who steal our wisdom with not so much as a "thank you," WE are better people for sharing.

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Re: Only saying ..........

Postby moonriver » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:52 am

Speaking of helium, we greedily exploit that too as until recently it has only been found naturally underground in a few places on earth and it cannot be made by man, and we use it for frivolous things like filling party balloons or silly voices.

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Re: Only saying ..........

Postby treefrog » Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:02 am

Never bothered me - people who come and go, that is life, for some it's a few queries like, "what's my machine worth", to helping source parts of fix issues, but I always wonder what happens to those who have a lot of interest for a period of a year or two and then disappear.

The ones I think are a shame to lose are the people who find the site and once worked in the industry or have family from a famous maker, as it would great to sap more knowledge from these people, but they fritter away..

You're right about helium, the stupidity of man, it is a finite supply, essential for some engineering and medical uses, and idiots piss it into balloons or their heads and it does not get retained in the atmosphere and goes out into space, lost for ever.

By the way, you need to pay your subs to see the resources I believe.

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Re: Only saying ..........

Postby widget2k4 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:59 am

I believe the Resources are free and no subs required?

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Re: Only saying ..........

Postby badpenny » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:32 am

Resources are part of the Forum, it's only The Arena and helium you have to pay for.

Good comments everyone. JP as usual "Trumps" us all with his sage like comments :didact:


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