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Re: BMR and BDR bandits

Postby gameswat » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:46 am

Just re-reading my collection of old UK Replay magazines for research purposes and came across this about early collector Les Hinsey in June 1977: "and a fruit machine with its reels in conical formation, made from the surplus castings of a railway-ticket machine manufacturer."

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Re: BMR and BDR bandits

Postby coppinpr » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:31 pm

sounds about right! :cool:
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Re: BMR and BDR bandits

Postby pennymachines » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:10 pm

I think this was one of those little word-of-mouth myths which arose from associating the utilitarian look of BMR bandits with the fact that the company was known to have made ticket machines for the London Underground. Two problems - BMR were supplying the ticket machines when they were supposedly trying to use up these parts and anyway the cabinets are not the same. The change tray is a similar shape to the payout tray on some of their bandits (not the floor-standers though), but that's as far as it goes.

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Although their styling might suggest 1960s or 1950s manufacture, these ticket machines, produced by Brecknell Munro & Rogers, were quietly futuristic. They first appeared in busy Underground stations as early as 1937.

At that time, individual tickets were purchased from one point to another, many with different prices. These clearly labelled machines helped regular commuters buy tickets for commonly made journeys that cost a set amount - on the poster it shows 4D. They were both functional and beautiful.

They were still in use at some locations into the 1980s.
https://www.ltmuseum.co.uk

By the way, I wonder if anybody owns one of these machines. I don't recall if the London Transport Museum has one. Most, if not all, would have been recycled when they were decommissioned.
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Re: BMR and BDR bandits

Postby gameswat » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:52 pm

I assumed they meant mech casting as there are many. And why not use up parts already designed and sitting in the factory, not necessarily yet obsolete. Though could also be once they'd improved or changed the ticket design. Guess there must be patents for the ticket machines?

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Re: BMR and BDR bandits

Postby pennymachines » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:43 pm

Actually, I can't really make sense of, "a fruit machine with its reels in conical formation, made from the surplus castings of a railway-ticket machine manufacturer."
Is he suggesting BMR acquired surplus castings off a different manufacturer of railway ticket machines and used them to make bandits? !PUZZLED!

Other than platform tickets, as far as I know, the first railway ticket machines were the aforementioned London Underground machines. So we must be talking about BMRs own surplus castings. Obviously they couldn't have been used on the flat-disk, counter-top Brooklands Racer (patented in 1933 & '35) because it predates the ticket machine (1937).

I don't know how much later the floor-standing, conical reeled machines were, but they don't use any of the same exterior castings as the earlier version - even the handles are different. What's more, there appear to be few (if any) interior parts of the countertop, floor-standing and 'bread bin' bandits which are interchangeable. Nor does there appear to be anything make-do or improvised about these mechanisms.

Although there could be some small bits used in both ticket machines and bandits, I don't buy the "made from surplus castings" idea. I doubt there would be much in an electromechanical ticket machine which could be re-purposed for use in a mechanical bandit.

As you say, you'd think there must be a patent for the ticket machine but I've examined all the BDR patents I could find.

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Re: BMR and BDR bandits

Postby coppinpr » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:02 am

I remember the ticket machines well and they were not made of strong metal at all, very tinny in fact. They made a drum like sound if you hit them. As a good boy I didn't do that of course. !SAINT!

I have a copy of their London underground turnstile patent but couldn't find the ticket machine patent.

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Re: BMR and BDR bandits

Postby pennymachines » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:32 pm

pennymachines wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:43 pm
Other than platform tickets, as far as I know, the first railway ticket machines were the aforementioned London Underground machines.
I'm reminded by this photo that there were Underground ticket vendors which pre-dated the above BMR machines.
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Re: BMR and BDR bandits

Postby treefrog » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:31 pm

With the large version on eBay for over a year still not selling, someone let one roll below last week and fetched £410. I was interested to see where this would go as however interesting they are, they ar heavy, large and not the prettiest of machines.....only second time seen one sell, the previous one 8 years ago sold for similar money, a lot of metal in there...
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Re: BMR and BDR bandits

Postby coppinpr » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:00 pm

I'm glad it went for £400+ or I would have been tempted to bid... which would have been a mistake. I would have loved to work on it BUT how to ship it? Where to put it? and what do you do with it when it's finished? ....sell it for £400 :!?!:

I know we have talked at length and decided these were NOT made from BDR ticket machine leftovers, but there is something about it, perhaps just the same guy designed both cases. :lol:
Great slot machine though, running on 6d and a win got you a free trip to Bethnal Green not only that ...but a winner EVERY time!!
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Re: BMR and BDR bandits

Postby pennymachines » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:18 pm

The 6D one has been through the auction rooms a couple of times recently, but is apparently just a scratch-built stage prop.
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