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Allwin lock and other questions

Postby geofflove » Thu May 21, 2020 9:23 am

So having had a splurge on a few machines, this is the allwin in need of TLC. Does anyone know the make/rough age of this one? Interestingly, no turn handle to get your fag - the ball dropping just rolls the dispenser to drop the cig.

I need to make a new money door for the bottom and I plan to strip and re-finish the case. So questions....

The lock is currently in a locked position and there is no key. Is it possible/easy/cheap to obtain a new key (suspect not) or do I replace the lock. Either way I'll need a similar lock for the new door at the bottom. Is there a source for similar locks? New ones which have a similar look - i.e. not bright chrome etc? What would you do?

The players label etc have obviously been replaced at some time (not recently). Should I try to recreate something to cover the entire area here or would you leave as is?
If anyone has any idea, info or pics of similar it would be good to see/hear! Thanks.
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Re: Alwin lock and other questions

Postby tallstory » Thu May 21, 2020 9:59 am

I would send the lock away to one of the locksmiths listed in the Services section of the forum. It looks to be a simple lock so it shouldn't cost too much to cut a key and you get to keep the original lock. It's probably worth phoning them first to check they are open because of the you-know-what virus.

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Re: Alwin lock and other questions

Postby gameswat » Thu May 21, 2020 10:24 am

The cashbox locks on these earlier machines are usually the larger Yale types as they weren't so bothered with people getting into the upper mech.
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Re: Allwin lock and other questions

Postby geofflove » Thu May 21, 2020 6:08 pm

Ahh ok. I assumed the locks were the same but makes sense. That might make the second easier to sort i guess....
I'll look up the suppliers list for locksmiths. Cheers

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Re: Allwin lock and other questions

Postby scorpa163 » Thu May 21, 2020 6:55 pm

It cost me £15 last year to have a key made for the door of my Oliver Whales Easy Perm.
At a locksmiths in Brighouse , W.Yorks.
It keeps the machine original.

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Re: Allwin lock and other questions

Postby geofflove » Thu May 21, 2020 6:59 pm

Ah thanks - sounds good value.

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Re: Allwin lock and other questions

Postby pennymachines » Sun May 24, 2020 12:46 pm

Yes, always much better (and usually cheaper) to pick the lock and cut new keys. A good locksmith will do it or, if you're ambitious, you can learn to do it yourself. The game door locks on these are in short supply; the Yale-type cash door locks are easier to source.

Here's one like yours, spotted on eBay. The locks have been replaced (decent fit, but detract from originality). The cigarette front plate looks good though.
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Re: Allwin lock and other questions

Postby geofflove » Mon May 25, 2020 7:28 pm

Good spot! My (obviously replaced) navy cut sign on mine fell off the other day and interestingly revealed the exact same blue coloured gunk underneath as the sign on this one to I assume the exact same sign was there originally. I don’t suppose anyone has seen an original image I could recreate it from? Any idea of the make of this machine?

I’d also wondered about re chroming the handle, pay cup and coin insert on mine. However the quote I got was over £ 120. Don’t know if that is typical or not but seems steep. But what do I know? Made me think I might leave them ‘aged’!

I’ve finished work on the case and new glass coming tomorrow so I might complete later this week.

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Re: Allwin lock and other questions

Postby geofflove » Mon May 25, 2020 7:31 pm

Ps. I’m not a smoker and chocolate cigarettes appear to be outlawed now. So what to put in it?
Currently thinking of getting some matchmakers and a packet of fag papers to wrap them in.....!

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Re: Allwin lock and other questions

Postby pennymachines » Mon May 25, 2020 8:03 pm

geofflove wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 7:28 pm
Any idea of the make of this machine?
No, I'm afraid. Both Oliver Whales and Philip Shefras appear to have made versions using a cigarette packet gallery, but both are manual payout machines.

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geofflove wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 7:28 pm
...new glass coming tomorrow so I might complete later this week.
Just out of interest, what's wrong with the original glass? When I started collecting, I routinely replaced glass as part of a restore, thinking "glass is glass". Now that I appreciate the technology has changed subtly, and original glass is part of the machine, like the lock, cabinet etc., I only replace if necessary, and for treasured games will seek out period glass.


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