i need help - allwins

[coin-op]

I will try and explain.

Vertical bar 3 is linked by 10 to the payout handle. However, bar 8 by being against 7 stops the payout handle from moving bar 3.

When a ball enters a winning cup it falls into area 11 and rests upon bar 4. Bar 4 then tilts and the vertical rod connected from 4 to 8, causes 8 to be lifted. When this happens 8 is now clear of 7 . So, by turning the payout handle 9, which is linked by 10 to 3, this causes 3 to move to the right and then back to the left. When this happens, the slide (a flat steel plate under 14), linked by 13 to 3 moves firstly to the right to allow a coin to drop from the coin hopper 14 to sit next to the slide. Then, as the payout handle is turned further around, 3 moves back to the left to cause the slide linked by 13 to push the coin into the payout cup.

Apologies for my first explanation. I was going from memory as to the mechanism of these machines and the example you have pictured is slightly different from most.

[badpenny]

A message to Coin-Op, that was a sterling effort, perhaps you can explain one for me please.

Why is it that when I put "pairs of socks" x 3 into washing machine door ( 5 ) and then press button ( 7 ) I (4 ) after removing washing (9 ) only ever get back a total of 5 socks.
Is this the correct return for this machine?
Badpenny

[coin-op]

I think it has something do to with the law of diminishing returns. Funnily enough, same rule applies to playing slot machines, as I never seem to get back quite what I have put in

[dcs]

Hi coin op

I begin to understand the machine - but , there are more question.

1. how the machine know to payout 1 or 2 or 4 coin ? how the part 4 know that the ball inside to hole 1 or 2 or 4 ?

2. how work part 13,14,15 ? how the part build in order that the part don"t payout more coin it necessary ?

3. do you know drawing detailed payout and pay-in from machine that work like the allwins?

4. whice allwins you
know ? do you have pic inside the machine ?

Thank you for help
david

[john t peterson]

You guys are great! David, the first advice you received was the best. Buy an allwin and take it apart. All your answers await there.

[dcs]

if i buy i don't build

all the target it's to build, learn and to save . . .

thanks

[coin-op]

Hi David,
I will to try and answer your questions in turn. However, I think as you start to understand one part, you will find that this raises more questions as to how other actions in the machine occur. So, before I answer the specific questions you raised, here is a basic description of how you commence the game.

''A'' A ball is held in a space by a rod which blocks its path from rolling into the playfield. When a coin is deposited,the coin slides down a path and on its way briefly knocks the rod so that the rod is briefly moved out of the way of the ball. The ball can then fall into the playfield area. The way this part of the mechanism works is as follows. A horizontal bar is pivoted in the centre so that when a coin falls down the coin knocks the bar and causes the bar to tilt. The other end of the bar is linked to the rod which blocks the path of the ball; when the bar is tilted the rod then moves up to allow the ball to pass.

Dealing with your questions
1.Not all machines paid out more than one coin. To pay out one coin you have a slide which is the same thickness as the coin which you wish to pay out (presumably this is the type of coin used to play the machine]. To pay out two or more coins you can make the coin slide the same thickness as the number of coins you wish to pay out.

Basically, the way the coin slide works is simply to push out the coins from the stack of coins held in part (14)

How does the machine know that the ball has entered a particular hole. Basically, any ball falling into a winning hole is channeled into part (11) so that it rests upon the bar (4). As mentioned in earlier postings '' Bar 4 then tilts and the vertical rod connected from 4 to (eight) 8, causes (eight) 8 to be lifted. When this happens (eight) 8 is now clear of 7 .'' Any ball falling into a losing hole is channeled into another area of part 11 and held ready to be dispensed for play when a new coin is inserted. So, when entering a losing hole, the ball does not tilt bar (4) and so the payout handle remains prevented from paying out any coins.


2 Part 13 is a rod connected to a thin, flat metal slide (this is the coin slide). The coin slide is the same thickness as the number of coins which the machine is to pay out.

Part 14 is the coin hopper. The vertical tube on it holds the coins put into the machine to obtain a game. When a win is made, by turning the payout handle 9, which is linked by 10 to the coin slide, this causes the coin slide to move to the right AND SO A SPACE IS OPENED TO LET COINS EQUAL TO THE THICKNESS OF THE COIN SLIDE DROP DOWN ONTO THE PLATE ON WHICH THE COIN SLIDE AND PART 14 REST. When the coin slide moves back it then pushes the coins which have dropped down into a channel (part 15) so that they fall into the payout cup.

The machine cannot payout more coins than won because, when the payout handle is turned, and the bar (3) moves to the right, the ball resting on (4) is pushed off (4). Therefore, when the bar (3) returns to the right, bar (4) is again tilted down to the right (in its rest position) and so bar (eight) 8 again becomes stopped against (7). This now pevents any further payouts.

Note when the ball is pushed off bar 4 it falls into the same space where the ball would rest if it had fallen into a losing hole. [See A above; a ball always eventually ends up in this position so that a new game can be made.]

3. I do not know of any suitable drawings. Maybe with some time I can help on this.

4.What exactly do you want to get from such pictures. You already have the mechanism picture you posted. However, I would add that the machine you have posted is one of the more complicated allwin machines. Generally a standard more simple mechanism can work equally as well. Maybe someone could help out (whilst I have a rest) and post an oliver whales mech pic [my uploading skills arn't too good ]

[13rebel]

Hi all,
I'm quite a newby to allwins [owning just one but pining for more] and to this site and have spent ages going through the various posts - the allwin video site is particularly good, thank-you, but the best has to be; forum/build a slot machine/i need help-allwins[dcs]. This had me crying with laughter as poor coin op tried so hard with the explanations as to how an allwin works [thanks for that - it certainly helped me] and still dcs came back with more questions - surely a wind up? Then Badpenny puts in his two pennyworth about the socks and had me creased up! I've read it a number of times and each time it has me laughing, so on the grounds of this, I've got fitted up with an anorak - I hope this meets with the required criteria for one.
Wishing everyone a merry Xmas and may Santa bring you your favourite machine - I've written my letter and had better get started on sweeping the chimney. Rebel 13

[badpenny]

Welcome to the forum and congrats on your first post!

We hope to hear more from you in the new year

Badpenny

[pennymachines]

There were a couple of sequels to this fascinating thread: Nostalgic Machines - allwins and I need help to specify construction.