Oliver Whales Target For To-Night allwin

[arrgee]

John, I would willingly pay for your hand delivered machine at £4600 on the condition that I provide your accommodation for one week at the exceedingly good rate of only £3100, tea and biscuits are of course extra.

Incidentally John, we tend not to use the word 'Khyber' too often over here as it refers to the area of ones anatomy that evacuates foul malodorous air from ones bowels.

[treefrog]

Well, the first one has set a standard which other hope they be able to follow - Rare Victory Ball now on, already rising rapidly.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-OLIVER-WHALE ... perated_MJ

[pennymachines]

When I bought this machine it did not have a top flash. I have only seen 2 others and neither did they, but I saw an old photo where one did. Also in Carter's book on page 9 you can see one. I had a pediment made to the same design and had it stained to match the colour of the cabinet and a professional artist copy the top flash.

Has anyone else seen a marquee like this on an OW allwin? The one on my Victory Ball is identical to the one on JP's Khyber Pass (previous page of this thread). Although the Victory Ball pictured on page 9 of Carter's book is cropped at the top, the marquee appears to be the same as the Target Tonight - similar again to the smaller games, but with an extra step at the base.

[jingle]

Just got back from a 6 day stint and checked my emails.
Oliver Whales Target for Tonight £4600
Then I looked at the bidding pattern

The highest bidder has 66% of his history with this bidder and his feedback is 700 plus.

What's going on there?
Or is that 66% of the bidding on the item
I offered him £750

[coin-op]

It's definitely not 66% of his 700 bids (though with ebay, I guess that is sometimes the case ). It's something like 66% of his bidding history over the last 30 day s.
I'd have seen this as a very nice buy for £750, but wouldn't have been seeing it as anywhere near the final price .

[woody]

Hi Guys

I can assure you it was a straightforward honest sale. The price shocked me a touch, but I was also offered £4.5k outside of the ebay process for the machine.

All the best
Woody

[pennymachines]

Congratulations Woody on a nice result for a nice machine, and well done for not accepting bids outside the auction.

I agree with Gameswa - a game's sale price may bear no relation to previous estimates, being decided on the day by just how much two or more people are determined to own it.

[daveslot]

How come the third WW2 allwin, ebay item no.280551957413, only fetched £797? Seems cheap compared to the others and is just as rare.

[gameswat]

That BMCo Fleet Air Arm allwin was definately not as rare, I had one and I've seen a handful of others. It seems to me to be the most common of the four different versions. Interesting but not a very exciting game to look at or play I have to say. The artwork is hand stencilled and sprayed suggesting very low production. And all the four versions seem to have slightly different case styles of recycled wood which also suggests they were made in batches with different art for each new batch.

[bill]

How come the third WW2 allwin, ebay item no.280551957413, only fetched £797? Seems cheap compared to the others and is just as rare.

It was my machine that made £797... well it may have made that, but the high bidder did not pay me (well he gave me a drink).
Now I know this is nothing out of the ordinary on ebay not to pay... but you would think a fellow collector would pay, especially when he had just sold his own machine on ebay for £4600. Anyway, I won't mention any names.

[coin-op]

the high bidder did not pay me (well he gave me a drink).
Now I know this is nothing out of the ordinary on ebay not to pay... but you would think a fellow collector would pay, especially when he had just sold his own machine on ebay for £4600. Anyway, I won't mention any names.

Interesting, a couple of years ago I had a guy renege on a deal... but I won't name names either

[badpenny]

We all understand ......... 'tis only fair and gentleman like ................ etc. etc. etc. ...... go on spill the dirt ........ go on spill the dirt!!!! .................... we won't tell a sole

[john t peterson]

Won't tell a sole but 'twill be a heel....

[coin-op]

Ah, thank heavens for the righteous, for they shall preach

[treefrog]

It was my machine that made £797... well it may have made that, but the high bidder did not pay me (well he gave me a drink).

I would want more than one drink, at least a decent bottle of scotch, given the ebay charges.....

I have only reneged on a deal once, when I bought a trailer off a feller who described it as good condition and looked real good as usual in the pictures..... when I turned up, it was older than expected and had recently been painted bright blue, looked pretty rough with worn cross members and old tyres.... Being a person who seems to accept these sorts of things I handed over the readies and drove off..... Got about two miles down the road and felt the car sway a little... I looked in my rear view mirror and saw the trailer swinging left to right over and over... I had another 40 miles to go and did not want to risk going on the dual carriageway, so checked it out. On closer examination, I noticed one of the angled A frame supports was completely buckled and broken - essentially dangerous even without a load.

I wondered what to do and even considered dumping it at the nearest tip... In the end I had the guts to contact the seller (who was a very large builder) and initially got the "you bought it and saw it - too late" type stuff. I then tried the "if you were in my position what would you..." type trick and he agreed to have a look. On examination he initially said it was OK before I had left, but the rust in the break could not be denied and I managed to persuade him to give me money back. I gave him the ebay fees (which really I should not have done) and felt very pleased with myself... I do wonder why a customer through ebay should be the one feeling guilty as the trust of the seller is so much relied upon. I suspect if there is a genuine reason, e.g. misinterpretation or mistake by the seller, it should be perfectly reasonable.

There are many machines I should have walked away from, but there are many I have also bought from people who have had trouble from others who have walked away, even though it was a nice machine and I got what I thought was a bargain.

[alan57]

Topic moved & merged - Site Admin.

This allwin recently appeared on Ebay without being sold. Was the machine an Oliver Whales airplane version?

[treefrog]

Looks like it.....

Target For To-Night

[pennymachines]

This latest example which went unsold with a Buy-It-Now of £900 reflects Gameswat's comments about auction prices. The example Bryans Fan posted, which sold for £1350 at Carter's auction, 19th November 2000, was considered a new high for a Whales allwin, purchased, I believe, by the Whales family. Then the example which started this thread made £4,600+ on eBay on 15th August 2010, only to be resold for £1000 at Peter Wilson's on 18th July 2019. Granted this latest one doesn't have a topflash, but we now have three examples, and I would guess there are more.

Target For To-Night was an acclaimed British documentary film made in 1941 to recruit fighter pilots. According to the director, most of the flight officers and crew who appeared in the film did not survive the war.

[paul]

HI ALL,
Here is a picture of my TARGET FOR TONIGHT, also a VICTORY CUPS with top pediment.