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Re: Interesting items in upcoming auction....

Postby arrgee » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:33 am

Badpenny wrote:The Bumper was a fortnight ago in a Table Top Sale, Park Hall Road Walsall.
Dam - you got one as well BP.............. I guess that lowers the value of my three then :o

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Re: Interesting items in upcoming auction....

Postby badpenny » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:55 am

No Arrgee I didn't buy it, I was the vendor.
No point in turning down thirty quid at today's fuel prices.

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Re: Interesting items in upcoming auction....

Postby pennymachines » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:48 pm

youngerap wrote:I am not at all concerned about upsetting a 'serious' collector. Such a person should know the true value of this machine and I would expect them to a) expect competition at the auction and b) be prepared to pay for it.
Ah, but there's the rub (apologies again to Willy S.) What do you suppose is the "true value"? I'm a serious collector (seriously addicted anyway), and I don't know. Imagine you'd kept mum, and competition was limited to the handful of collectors, like yourself, who succeeded in finding these (which, after all, were advertised and pictured online). I've no doubt the vendor would still be chuffed to bits at the prices, but how chuffed would the winning bidders be? Would they slink off, racked with guilt, knowing in their hearts they'd failed to pay the "true value"?

Imagine instead, all collectors posted all desirable machines for sale on this forum (great for website visitor stats, but somehow I can't see it happening). Then everyone would monitor the site and every machine would go directly to the highest bidder. "True value" would mean "more than all but one collector in the world is prepared to pay" and no amount of diligent research, knowledge, legwork or enthusiasm would make you a "serious collector", unless you were prepared (or could afford) to outbid all other collectors for every machine you bought. Whenever a really desirable machine surfaced, it would go directly to one of a handful of the wealthiest collectors in the world.

This I submit is the sort of jealous, secretive, cloak and dagger perspective to which you too will succumb, if you become as hard-bitten as I am.
treefrog wrote:Still no offers of knowledge for the Billiards Handan Ni machine. Anyone seen one before? I went through the patents on this site and found more than 6 Billiards related machines, none Handan and none similar to this.
The nearest I can find is Handan-Ni's Seven Arches of 1919 pictured in Chapter 7, Billiards And Pin Bagatelle of Nic Costa's Automatic Pleasures. This chapter is quite informative on the original coin-operated pinballs, some half a century before the great pinball craze of Depression America. He describes how "Bagatelle had, almost since its inception, played second fiddle to the mighty Billiards" and much early design impetus was directed at automating Billiards. The earliest he cites is German Billiards patented in 1893 by American, Charles Young. Also described and pictured is Haydon & Urry's Automatic Billiards of 1897. Bagatelle came to predominate because it was better suited to miniaturisation.

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Re: Interesting items in upcoming auction....

Postby bryans fan » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:15 pm

My feelings are similar to PM. I am not wealthy, and have limited funds available. The chance to buy a machine that is off the radar so to speak gives ordinary collectors like myself, and I suspect, most of this forum's members, the chance to obtain nice machines at an affordable price. There are a few very wealthy collectors who will always outbid the ordinary "man in the street".
For this reason, I would suggest that we keep things to ourselves until after the auction has taken place.
A thousand pounds, for example, is still a great deal of money to me, and would require a lot of soul searching to justify spending such an amount. I have collected for about 20 years, and have driven home from an auction on more than one occasion with a prized machine in the boot, and a sick feeling in my stomach at having paid too much!
Just try telling one of your friends how much you paid for a wormed wooden box with a few knobs on it and some rusty metal work inside, and you will soon find out that the rest of society think we are mad!
What is its true value??? What someone is willing to pay.

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Re: Interesting items in upcoming auction....

Postby arrgee » Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:43 am

bryans fan wrote:What is its true value??? What someone is willing to pay
What is 'value'

Some people will spend the equivalent cost each year of a damn good allwin or bandit on a season ticket just to sit on a cold windy Premier league terrace watching 22 blokes kick a ball around, and at the end of the season what do they have? Others will spend at least that per year on booze and fags - so it's horses for courses, as they say.

If I pick up a machine at a 'snip' then that's great, but if I really want a machine and it's a high cost I don't think it's not worth the value, I think how much do I want it, then make a decision based upon 'can I afford it'. For me Value does not enter into the equation, it's such a nebulous word anyway.

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Re: Interesting items in upcoming auction....

Postby youngerap » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:14 am

Good grief! I started this by thinking these were interesting machines! My thanks to those who have contributed (politely, too!) and have opened my eyes to an aspect of this hobby that had never occurred to me.

I think I shall take Bryans Fan's advice and not comment on the contents of active auctions in future. Probably safer that way..... !SOFA!

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Re: Interesting items in upcoming auction....

Postby gameswat » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:22 am

youngerap wrote:I think I shall take Bryans Fan's advice and not comment on the contents of active auctions in future. Probably safer that way.....
....and cheaper! Probably won't sink in fully until you're well and truly addicted and this happens to something you plan to bid on and can't live without. !OMFG!

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Re: Interesting items in upcoming auction....

Postby badpenny » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:51 pm

I think we should have a sticky on Announce advising everyone when they first come here about topics which crop up time and time again and add this one to it: -
We could cover........
* I have a machine to sell but can't be bothered to comply with The Market rules so am going to pretend to merely ask for a valuation.
* I've just bought my first bandit and nothing works, does it need more grease?
* Why do Ebay keep removing my auction for a gambling bandit machine?
* How do I post a picture/video/link
* What do you mean it's illegal to sell a slot machine?
* Is it ok to tell everyone of something interesting I've stumbled upon for sale?

What others can you think of? There must be more that the majority seem to fall foul of.

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Re: Interesting items in upcoming auction....

Postby john t peterson » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:12 pm

I've found a machine that I'm thinking of buying; what is it worth? (And variations on the theme: What is it worth??)

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Re: Interesting items in upcoming auction....

Postby jingle » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:43 am

Looks like youngerap
As been bullied in to deleting the
Links to the machine :-(

Well I think you done the right thing
Advertising them here
And the wrong thing deleting them

You are obviously a new collector
And prob have a few allwins and bandits
But see something online that probably isn't going
To fit in your collection,which there is nothing wrong with that
I done the same when I started,,so what's wrong in sharing info
On a site that you visit everyday,,
You probably didnt want any of us to mis out

So you put it here,,well keep up the good work son

And if your looking for a certain machine for your
Collection
Drop me a line,I may just be getting rid of one !THUMBS!


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