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Re: A letter to eBay UK?

Postby steinslots » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:38 pm

I agree with slotalot, in that Ebay has become too commercial for its own good, and for that of collectors. Far too many people are using Ebay sale prices as a guide to the value of collectables.
For example: I have a "cocktail" style pin-table which was made in limited numbers and an even more limited batch were sold in the UK. We are talking 4 or 5 currently in the UK out of 500 or so built. Considering the same machine in the US will fetch $1000 or more, one would presume they would attract a higher asking price? It seems not. When the owner of a well known UK pinball parts distributor queried about buying it for his own collection he said he could only offer me £300 max because that's "what they fetch on Ebay". I don't think the one he was referring to even sold, because it didn't reach the reserve, but this has effectively set the value of my machine to £300.

I've always felt more comfortable with the dedicated slot auctions like those hosted Jerry Chattenton.

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Re: A letter to eBay UK?

Postby margamatix » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:22 pm

It seems to me that there are two things which can be taken as a given about the individual who is reporting these machines to ebay.

Firstly, they aren't doing it through altruistic reasons, otherwise they would report all listings of slot machines.They are trying to get specific machines withdrawn from auction because they wish to buy those machines themselves and do not wish to allow the item's value to be determined by open auction but rather to buy the machines themselves for less than the amount they would sell for in open auction.

Secondly, and because of this, all ebay members listing a machine which is subsequently withdrawn by ebay will have received a private message from the same member confidently predicting that it will be withdrawn and offering to buy it outside of ebay.

Therefore, in future, whenever a machine is listed which is likely to be targeted by this individual, I am going to send a message to the seller advising them of what is happening, and asking them to let me know the user name of anybody who has offered to buy it outside ebay "should the machine be withdrawn by ebay". I am sure most potential sellers will be sufficiently pissed off if such does happen to assist with this.

If it does transpire that every potential seller does receive such a message from the same individual, then it's fairly safe to say that the individual concerned is the person reporting these sellers, then we can take it from there.

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Re: A letter to eBay UK?

Postby youngerap » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:08 pm

Interesting approach.

What will you do when you have a suspect? Cry "She's a witch" and head for the village pond?

My point is, this could introduce an unpleasant bout of nasty finger pointing and bitterness that will threaten to spoil what, for me at least, has been a hobby blessed with great natured and generous folk.

We had a taste of what could come with an unfounded accusation against someone that I consider to be a friend and I want no part of anything similar in the future.

I like the people I have met through this hobby. Long may that last.

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Re: A letter to eBay UK?

Postby margamatix » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:32 pm

It has been a hobby blessed with great natured and generous folk for the 30+ years that I have been involved with it, but now there is a collector who is causing ebay members to have their accounts flagged or suspended in order that he can buy machines at less than market value, and when I find out who it is, with reasonable supporting evidence, I'll be sure to let pennymachines forum members know, and let them know what that evidence is, so they can make their own minds up for themselves.

Or would you rather the situation carried on as it is?

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Re: A letter to eBay UK?

Postby youngerap » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:41 pm

I think I would rather not use eBay.

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Re: A letter to eBay UK?

Postby jimmy55 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:51 pm

I think we are back to my original point .....is there or isn't there one person? As to motive, that could be any one of a number of reasons and it wouldn't be wise to assume it was just a collector trying to get cheap machines. Only eBay have the answer and it's clear there isn't a desire for a direct approach to them, so it's probably best left there before the chain and padlock come out again. !!ESCAPE!!

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Re: A letter to eBay UK?

Postby coppinpr » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:52 pm

My personal belief is that there is a troll targeting all vintage machines on ebay for a specific reason and I believe that reason has nothing to do with getting cheap machines on ebay, in fact I believe it's more about causing a shortage of machines for sale in general and thus increasing the price of machines sold on (if there were any) and more importantly off of the internet.
This would, I'm sure you will agree, make a lot of sense. If ebay has done one thing for sure since it started (and I was one of the first to register on it - related to another hobby), it is that it sets the correct selling value of collectables of all kinds by supply and demand. The other hobby I speak of had values set by a guide book written by just one "expert" before ebay came along and it worked OK. Then Ebay's wide audience started to find these items in their houses and attics and prices changed on a supply and demand basis. Some went up others came down. The same thing happened with slots. Now if you can find a way of gagging ebay, you could get back to causing a demand bigger than the supply and increasing prices.

I also believe we will never know, for sure, who it is.
They have in fact won and we must swallow the pill and carry on.
Less machines from garages and attics will come to light and many old machines may disappear forever, which is what I find saddest, but there is, I suspect nothing we can do about it.

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Re: A letter to eBay UK?

Postby coin-op » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:30 pm

jimmy55 wrote: Only eBay have the answer and it's clear there isn't a desire for a direct approach to them, so it's probably best left there before the chain and padlock come out again. !!ESCAPE!!
For my part, and for reasons I have set out above, I see no real mileage in pursuing the matter with ebay. However, that is my personal view and the topic is open for anyone to put forward any view they hold. Regarding your latter comment, I don't really understand it as I do not see anything which warrants it. !PUZZLED!

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Re: A letter to eBay UK?

Postby steinslots » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:04 pm

Just a thought, forgive me if I've missed anything here but if the complaints are centred around the sellers not having an appropriate gaming license then maybe the complainant does possess such a license and feels aggrieved that he pays X amount each year whilst others appear to "get away with it"?
I seem to remember an advert in er Steve Hunt's magazine a few years back with a slot machine dealer highlighting their membership of the Gaming Board. Can't remember who though....

Here's another thought - Ebay advises us of the following:
"Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of eBay. This type of offer is against eBay policy, may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer protection programs".

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Re: A letter to eBay UK?

Postby coppinpr » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:58 pm

We have over the years made this very point many times, and it adds weight to my above post, however there are ways of making a living out of selling machines without a licence, in the open, which has always gone on with the Commission turning a "blind eye" to this, for want of a better word, loophole in the consistency of the law, so it's not for certain the troll has a licence, just a vested interest.


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