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The Empire Cup & Busy Bee

Postby daveslot » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:14 pm

Not seen one of these before, looks like same maker as Busy Bee, but quite attractive.
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Re: The Empire Cup

Postby pennymachines » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:25 pm

Not seen one either. Others found it attractive too judging by the £800 hammer price.

The similarity to the Busy Bee struck me also but I cannot find much about the game. I thought we had a post about it in the Forum. I'm curious to know more now. Were these made by Hoopers? There's a Busy Bee for sale at Railway Cottage Antiques. It is Registered Design Number 792240, whereas Empire Cup is 795395.
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Re: The Empire Cup & Busy Bee

Postby treefrog » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:17 pm

I remember posting a very similar machine to the Busy Bee four years ago from Mills, almost identical...

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Re: The Empire Cup & Busy Bee

Postby pennymachines » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:02 pm

Interesting. Although that ebay vendor described it as Mills, I wonder if that's correct. No Mills badge far as I can see, and like all the examples above, it's in the UK and made for the old penny. The International Arcade Museum lists 671 Mills machines, but no Busy Bee or Empire and no online American examples. 'The Empire Cup' presumably refers to the British Empire?

Also, I believe the Registered Design Numbers suggest British origin. Design numbers from 778830-795103 were registered between 1932-34 (which looks plausible for the style of game). Unfortunately payment, or a trip to the archive in Kew, is required to look these up to discover the maker.

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Re: The Empire Cup & Busy Bee

Postby pennymachines » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:55 am

This one from the Elephant House, Sept. 2016, also old penny.
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Re: The Empire Cup & Busy Bee

Postby pennymachines » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:15 pm

And another...
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Re: The Empire Cup & Busy Bee

Postby cait001 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:51 pm

I love finding these verticle or near-vertical game variants! I have seen at least 2 totally vertical American pin games similar to this. The reset mechanism is also a set of pins (and/or plate) sliding inwards to release the balls to below.

Interesting to think of how these really did not take off in America or the UK, but pachinko did take off in Japan with the vertical orientation post WW2.

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Re: The Empire Cup & Busy Bee

Postby pennymachines » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:50 pm

Here's a different example with more cups and a coin return. Called the Aerial Cup, it's on display at the SFO Museum, North Terminal, San Francisco International Airport
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Re: The Empire Cup & Busy Bee

Postby treefrog » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:33 am

Another one, this time eBay and the seller indicates only 3 known examples exist and rare......
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Re: The Empire Cup & Busy Bee

Postby john t peterson » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:56 pm

Only 3 known examples? Should read: "I only know of 3 examples. But then, I've not taken the time to research this game. Had I done so, I would have discovered the wonderful pre-eminent web site, "PennyMachines" and therein learned the my earlier comment of "only 3 known" is only admission of my own ignorance." For the rest of us, we know that this type of misstatement is how incorrect information is tied to a particular machine and spread forward.

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