Jubilee 3 reel bundle problem

[greg1]

Do you have a picture of the reel locking nut and adjuster please? The only adjustment on the reels I can see are one reel 1 and 2 and these lock the reels to the spindle. It looks as if the reel bundle is as far to the right as it can go. Aristomatic looks to have the identical machine. Is it possible he could supply pictures of the payout fingers on a 2 coin payout please? This would really help.

[badpenny]

I don't have a Jub at the moment and being honest was quoting from memory, which is foolhardy for someone who is about to install a full length mirror next to the front door to check I'm not holding a cup of tea as I depart.

It's just a thought, but have you checked that the vertical fingers are in the right order? I have acquired bandits in the past where somebody has taken them out without realising their order is important.
Force the single cherry payout and then look at the bottom of the vertical finger that makes the payout.
It should have a profile that only trips the bottom horizontal finger, if its profile trips two slides, sounds like the wrong one.
However, if it's over reaching and also tripping the horizontal finger above, check the length of the probe at the other end. If it's been shortened, it'll travel further at the bottom end.

[coppinpr]

The locking nut you're looking for has nothing to do with the individual reels. On most machines it will be found on the far left of the mech main frame and holds the spindle that goes through the middle of all the reels in position. On some machines there is one at either end (I can't remember about the Jubilee). Usually, it's a screwdriver operated bolt accessed from above but, if I remember correctly, it's a square headed bolt facing you on the left side "A" frame of the mech on a jubilee. Loosen this bolt. Check to see if there is another on the right side, if so, loosen that one as well, then you should have a small amount of movement (left/right) on the whole reel bundle. Adjust, tighten and test till you get it right.

[greg1]

have spent all morning and this afternoon trying something I thought of yesterday, being an old mechanic but still young looking,( I have no mirrors in my house) I found my old feeler gauges and through trial and error starting at 2 th. and working my way up, found that by using the stop fan method and using the only cherry on reel one and the same oranges on reel two and three every time and doing this three times for every combination making sure I got the same result and placing the feelers between disc one and two when I reached 25th it still paid out the 4 coins and between 26 and 27th it would not pay out, but sometimes when I removed the feelers 4 coins would still drop, so I think this rules out the pay out finger travelling to far, what next please

[badpenny]

I can't believe we're approaching page 6 on this.

You posted this photo ....

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I take it the finger nearest is the one for cherry.
Force the cherry payout and photograph the bottom of that finger from the other side so we can see how many horizontal fingers it's tripping.

BP

[greg1]

I can not believe it also that's why I tried this forum to solve the problem, but does not look good, on the good side thanks to other posts on this forum have solved the lighting problem I had so something good has come from this forum, many thanks to those people that have patience and like to help others cheers

[badpenny]

That's ok, helping out with machines is what we do, so let's see the piccie I've requested above .....

[raj]

I think we have established that the cherry vertical lever is moving too far, so instead of trying to bugger around with the reels, just bend the bottom of the vertical lever outwards, so it only hits 1 payout. A large pair of pliers will do the trick without any dismantling.

[operator bell]

It may just be worn. That payout finger sees more action than the others. Or, it may be vertically misaligned - we haven't mentioned that before. Excuse my crude drawing but the finger should look like this. If the finger is set a little too high, the bottom step will push both the bottom horizontal payout lever and the one above it, causing a 4 payout.

Alternatively, it could be as simple as a buildup of grease and crud on the bottom step, or the first two horizontal levers are glued together with dried grease, or there could be a spring missing or weak at the back (right of picture below).

See the way the horizontal levers are bent at the left to line up with the slides. On the 4th click the fingers release and push these levers aside (out of the page), leaving the selected slides free to pull back when the master slide release is removed (5th click). If the second horizontal lever is bent or broken so that it doesn't block slide 2, every time slide 1 is released it will move back and drop an extra 2 coins.

[greg1]

great news can now get the machine to pay out 2 coins with a little help, have two photos if you look at the one that's from the side of the machine the bottom lever that pays the two coins is working ok but the second one up has about 5mm sticking out allowing the second slide to open, if I hold this in place with a screw driver it pays the 2 coins, the second picture is taken from the back shows the vertical lever which looks to just touch the second from the bottom, have tried a little tweek but don't want to cause more problems, I also noticed that one of the springs had been shortened on the slide stoppers (not sure the wordings right) so also shortened the second slide stopper spring by the same amount but did not do the trick, not wanting to cause more problems looking at what to do next.

[badpenny]

Your second photo would have been useful if you'd not allowed the divider to obscure the interaction between the vertical and its horizontal counterpart.

However it seems to confirm what Raj first said to you on page 1 Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:40 pm.
I understand you ...don't want to cause more problems ... but I guess you've reached the stage where where it's time to start fiddling.
If it were mine, I'd see if the other end of the vertical finger has shortened thus allowing the probe part to enter further than it should.
Compare it to the others.

It's not a common fault, nor anything I've come across before, I'm just guessing at basic physics.

[greg1]

I also seem to remember everyone saying it was the reel bundle being too far to the left which I spent a lot of time trying to correct, not knowing what else to look for until that was ruled out, then I went to the next suggestion and so on (I think this is called the process of elimination). Now I don't want to bend or straighten anything that may cause further problems until I'm sure it's the right thing to do.

[badpenny]

I didn't know that the reel bundle being too far to the left had been ruled out, when did that happen?
It's more likely than my last suggestion about the finger being shortened, but would have the same affect.

As you say you don't have the experience to mend it, otherwise why would you be asking? ..... but why do you comment "until I'm sure it's the right thing to do" If you have to wait until you're sure why bother to take our advice?

As for straightening or bending anything, that's exactly how the factory "fine tuned" it before sending it out., these machines are hardly high precision, nor were they assembled by engineers.

I'm not sure why you mention you spent a lot of time trying to correct it, it's your machine, and most of us have projects running that are well into several years now. You've not given feedback on suggested solutions and have posted inadequate as well as out of focus photos.

Your problem is one of the simplest issues, it is either ......
The wrong vertical finger in that position.
It's bent and is catching the second horizontal finger above, so needs straightening.
The reel pack is too far over.
The probe end of the vertical finger has worn short.
The axle that screws through all of the vertical fingers has come loose.
The second horizontal finger is stiff due to either weak spring or dry grease, so is not fully returning to retain the slide.

Sometimes our advice to someone is to strip the whole thing down to the last screw, clean it, degrease it and reassemble it, checking each part as you go.
So check everything on the list above, and if that doesn't do the trick then strip it down and thoroughly clean it.

[greg1]

Sorry about the photos - just trying my best I'm no David Bailey. Please try to be positive rather than negative. I'm only asking for help which I thought was the idea of the forum. Have you read all the posts or just the ones after yours?

[badpenny]

If you interpret my constructive comments for negativity you're unlikely to move forward.
I refer you to my last post where I have detailed a pretty comprehensive list of likely answers.

As a moderator it is my responsibility to read every post whether it interests me or not.

The purpose of the forum is clearly detailed for all to read, however if the problem is beyond you, then maybe it's time to fess up..... tell us where you live and see if a member near to you is prepared to pop round and do it for you or at least quote for doing so.

What is the point of not telling you your photos are pointless, it gives you the chance to help us to help you, failing to tell you would leave you wondering why nobody has commented.

I have now told you everything I can for you to check on your machine without having it in front of me.
I am losing motivation to work any harder on your problem as I feel I could spend hours talking you through something, only to not hear back if you even tried it. I think you summed it up when you said " I don't want to bend or straighten anything that may cause further problems until I'm sure it's the right thing to do." You invite suggestions and then get picky after somebody shares their expertise with you.

Good luck I hope you sort it. I'd be very happy for you if somebody else can guess at what's happening and that you feel you want to follow their advice.

Again I refer you back to the list I detailed in my previous post, as well as all the others members have offered, I'm sure the answer is there.

BP

[bryans fan]

I am afraid I must admit to having little interest in bandits, and very little understanding of them. I have read the posts relating to this question as I read everything posted. I must say I have been absolutely amazed at the brilliant response you have had from our members. It is unprecedented in my opinion.
I think we are good at solving specific problems rather than such an open ended one. It is a bit like ringing your garage and saying "my car won`t start, what do you think it is?"
I think badpenny and all the others have given you excellent advice, and you should not be offended by their responses.

[chris rideout]

An accidental higher payout was something that I had on a Sega machine. When the old 5p/shilling coin went out of circulation, I made some minor modifications and used 20p coins. I decided to take the reels off and give the inside a good clean up. Prior to that, I took off the back bar that holds the wing nuts for the reel brake wires in order to make it easy to remove the reel bundle and give the inside a good clean. So far, so good.

When I put it all back together, not only did 1 cherry pay the same as 2 cherries, but also the other wins paid with only 2 symbols instead of 3. The reels were spinning nicely but they had too much float on the reel shaft. This caused them to move slightly further to the left and that was just enough to get a win with the 3rd reel showing any symbol.

What had happened was as follows. The removal of the back bar that holds the wing nuts for the reel brake wires had caused the "A frame" casting to move slightly away from its position. It needed to be pushed in while the back bar screws were tightened. I also placed a washer on the reel shaft to the left of the 1st reel to take up what end float remained. Problem solved.

[greg1]

not being ungrateful and many thanks to everybody who have helped me get so close to solving my problem, I know I am only a whisker away from solving it, but to other people (the experts) its so easy but to a novice its very hard to understand, and takes a lot of time for the penny to drop, I have learned so much since I first joined the forum, that's why I asked for a little patience, with work ect. its very hard to spend as much time as I would like trying out every ones solutions, and that's why it probably taken so long, but now I am confident that in the next few days I will have the machine working as it should, also I have spent a lot of time with the lights on the machine, which are working fine thanks to advice I received from this forum so once again many thanks to every one.

[treefrog]

Been watching this thread and staggered by the determination of those who have contributed. I always remember getting calls from my old man when he was alive with issues with his computer, even though I am an IT guru, I struggled to explain how to fix things over the internet or telephone, it is a tough job as you are not there to see what they are trying to explain.

Most of us have through persistence worked out issues through trial and error, hopefully you get there, if not sell your machine and buy a working one at Coventry (kidding).....

[chris rideout]

not being ungrateful and many thanks to everybody who have helped me get so close to solving my problem, I know I am only a whisker away from solving it, but to other people (the experts) its so easy but to a novice its very hard to understand, and takes a lot of time for the penny to drop, I have learned so much since I first joined the forum, ...

You learn something every day! I have learned a lot by looking at photographs. Sometimes I would think: "Mine doesn't look like that". Then I could see what was wrong. I also downloaded a Mills Hi-Top user manual to assist in maintaining my Sega machine which is almost identical internally.

...so once again many thanks to every one.

If you are feeling brave enough, you could resort to removing the payout finger, heating it up, and bending it slightly. You could also file some of it away but you would then be resorting to creating "2 wrongs to make a right". I have seen it done but you might not feel too confident. I have been playing around (with machines I better add!) since the age of 22 and I have had plenty of practice. I had a breakdown on my own machine at the weekend. The reels spun, slowed down, and stopped in their own time. No clicks, nothing. The stepped link that connects the clock arm to the timing lever had broken. Metal fatigue? It will probably be welded up. Only a minor problem when I discovered what had happened but I had a nasty gut feeling when those reels didn't stop as they should have done.