Aristocrat Payout help needed.

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rod71
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Aristocrat Payout help needed.

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Hey guys.
I'm helping a mate here in AU with his Aristocrat "Super Star" 4 reel mech.

He picked it up the other day and it was set up to play without coins. When I first saw it and gave it a spin, I observed the 4 reels clicking and locking as normal, No click for the payout fingers to lock into the discs, but the final click from the slides was there. I told him to bring the mech around and I'd take a look.

So it was on "Free Play" by a piece of wire behind the coin mech that held the vertical bar up, and also a piece of wire on the rear of the mech that esentially held the payout fingers away from the disks.

So after removing the wires, I was able to coin it up and pull the handle, but the payout fingers won't retract from the disks, and reel number 1 won't move at all, and the other 3 are sluggish.

Also, the springs on the payout fingers looks weird to me, as I've never seen them all criss crossed like that.

I'm thinking it's gummed up with grease, but I figured I'd ask the experts to see where we are at.

Here are some pics. I have removed the coin slides and cleaned them up, as they were covered in gunk

Thanks for any help. Appreciate it!

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You may have answered your own question.....they look like the wrong springs and may have been criss crossed to give tension as they were too long. They are also probably the wrong compression. I do not believe in buying a box of your 500 mixed stainless steel springs that can work in a bandit, they tend to have the wrong sizes and tensions. These look like they are high tension springs, if you pull one of the fingers back is quite a bit of force required, very little is needed for these.

If this is the problem, you can get proper upper finger springs online/ebay, not expensive
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Thanks!
Do you have a link for the springs?. All I can find are bags of 100 from the USA for crazy money.

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The guy selling them on ebay in the US is Bernie Bertin, or his son now, see link below to his site. He has 100 bags of lower springs for $40US shipped.....suspect if you check with him a bag 10 upper should be a lot less.

http://www.mrslot1.com/
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OK, so I can eliminate the springs being the issue, as I replaced them all with good ones from my Aristo which is similar.

What I did notice, is with all the springs off and cycling the mech. The bar that retracts the payout fingers advances forward as it should, but after the 4 reels click into position, the bar doesn't move. It jumps back out if you wiggle the handle after the cycle has ended.

Cheers
Rod
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What bar are you referring to?
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I think he's talking about the reset bar that pushes the vertical fingers back and holds them there until the second to last action of the cycle.
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Yep, not sure on the technical name for the part. But you can see it in the pic below. It moves a little bit, but not enough to retract the fingers out of the payout discs.
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I have a feeling I'm going to have to remove the reels to get a better look, but I'm a bit weary. Is the process for an Aristo to loosen the retaining screws on each end, remove the E clip on one end and then remove the shaft from the locknut end?.

Because the fingers won't retract, I'll have to remove the springs to release the fingers from the discs to remove the reels. So once this is all done, I just lift the reel bundle out, and there's no way to bugger up the payout alignment unless I separate the reels from the bundle?

Thanks again :)
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Success!
OK, forgive the lack or correct parts terminology, but on the pic below, I loosened the top bolt and tapped the tongue looking thing back so it was flush on the end. This allowed the reset bar to travel further forward and complete the cycle :)

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Now, apart from the overall mech being a bit sluggish because of grease, One of the fingers is slightly out of whack and binding on the payout disk and slows down reel number 1. How do I go about adjusting the finger?

Cheers
Rod
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Ok, you need to be careful here - the bolt you loosened and the rod you adjusted are a last resort adjustment. Moving this changes almost everything in the cycle. It may well have been the right thing to do, but the adjustment would have to have been very small to keep everything working correctly. Also, we must hope that the problem was caused by this adjustment; it might have seemed to fix it, but it might not have been the cause.

Are you saying the retract bar is not pulling one of the fingers back far enough to clear the payout disc?

If you need to remove the reels look at "Tips for Newbies" on this site for instructions. It's easy, but not quite as easy as you might think.
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