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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby gameswat » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:37 pm

The flipper lever certainly does have a taper pin attaching it to the steel shaft, how else would it be attached? Rebel are you saying that Wonders cast the brass flip lever onto the steel shaft? I don't have one here currently to look at but i don't think I've ever seen an allwin done that way?

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby pennymachines » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:58 pm

I may be wrong (I usually am)... but I think we've gone a bit too deep here. The only taper pins MM need worry about is the one holding the trigger shaft to the hammer arm and the handle shaft
to the payout crank.

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby widget2k4 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:44 pm

I've had a wonders before where the taper pin was really hard to get out, the best thing to do is make something or get someone to help hold the door so you can get the shaft onto something solid to hit against, rather than trying to get it out without supporting the shaft. I was fortunate enough to have a big vice to hold it in, but if you could get it supported on something solid and get a good whack at it, it will definitely move, even if it's not in straight.

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby 13rebel » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:46 pm

Gameswat - I can only speak for my example but I can assure you that there is no external pin on the flicker - the outer boss sits flush with the plate and the shaft is pinned on the inside with the hammer sitting flush.
win and place flicker 007.JPG

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby gameswat » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:09 am

pennymachines wrote:
Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:58 pm
I may be wrong (I usually am)... but I think we've gone a bit too deep here. The only taper pins MM need worry about is the one holding the trigger shaft to the hammer arm and the handle shaft
to the payout crank.
I've gone too deep by pointing out it will be easier to remove the external taper pin that is likely undamaged, rather than the internal screwed up one!?? :o

Mei, as shown below on a payout knob, sometimes the outside taper pins are hard to spot because they were ground flush and obviously chromed or nickelled over. I've never seen a trigger lever that wasn't held this way though.
handle taper pin copy.jpg
lever taper pin.jpg
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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby mei-mei » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:57 am

" The only taper pins MM need worry about is the one holding the trigger shaft to the hammer arm and the handle shaft"
Wow, how much simpler is that. I have the taper pins on the handles as shown in Gameswat email and Oh Boy are they hard to spot. What with the pitting and rust I had to take a magnifying glass to help to spot them. So basically I don't have to take out the inside gubbins at all then? Has any one of you thought about producing a basic manual for idiots like me?

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby widget2k4 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:00 am

Every allwin I've seen has external pins through the hammer handle like gameswat says they are normally chromed over and can't be seen easily

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby gameswat » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:20 am

Mei, normally the inside taper pins are the ones to remove as they originally had extra length sticking out either side of the hole for ease of repair. But in your case it seems a previous owner overly damaged the hammer pin and jammed it in place, so the outside pin will be easier. The outside pins were originally hammered into place then filed flush and plated. If you clean up the outer trigger with fine sandpaper you should easily be able to see which side is the smaller that you need to tap from. Use a punch as close as possible in size to the small end of the pin. Once you have the shaft out of the game I'd suggest you place it in a vice and have a good look at the hammer and check it doesn't wobble. Sometimes a previous owner will keep hammering the taper pin deeper to try and remove any slop caused from wear and will end up basically mushrooming or riveting the pin in place.

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby mei-mei » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:02 pm

Hi Gameswat, yeah that pretty much describes the exact look of the pins, bent, mushroomed and broken off. Your suggestion sounds solid so as soon as I get the tools I will have a go. Ta again, MM

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Re: Wonder Win and Place allwin machine

Postby 13rebel » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:40 pm

My apologies Mei Mei for having misled you. I should have put no 'VISIBLE' pin outside. I guess I was thinking that scraping the chrome finish off to find the pin might not be something you would want to tackle. Given the issues you have with the inner pins I made an error of judgement and didn't word it as well as I might have. Sorry about that.


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