What bandit to restore?

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Re: What bandit to restore?

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Go to B&Q buy yourself a thin sheet of metal and make one.

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PS ~ Top Box that is, not a bandit ……. you'd need about four bits of metal for one of those!
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BP - I think you're confusing me with someone who knows what they are doing :!?!: Most of my handiwork keeps our local recycling centre busy :smash: :oops:

But I may, being serious for a few secs, have a crack at it - after all it can't really be that difficult can it ??? !PUZZLED!
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Top Box Plan.jpg

Once you've got dimensions right you'd then fashion a strip which when bent forms the required shape blank at the back with a frame around the front. The graphic sits inside the front frame and a square of metal forms a back to it. Two pieces of chromed tube (B&Q bathroom fittings) will cover a couple of bolts to secure it.
You could also run wires up them if you wanted to fit a light inside. Coppinpr could help you with a suitable graphic.
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Ha ha BP you do make me chuckle.
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Well late seeing this post but here's a list of my purchases and my experiences in them.

Jubilee Mk1 twin jackpots - The guys on here helped me a lot, and yes, no electric was a big plus. This was a good machine to get to grips with as you could open the front door straight up and remove the mech easily to work out what wasn't working then easily slot back in. Things like reels going slowly, handle pump not working etc, adjusting clock fins to get speed of reels correct etc.

Second was a Sega light up clone - Very easy to work on but access to mech is from the rear. Not too much a problem if you are leaving machine out somewhere but I didn't have a lot of space and the Jubilee could sit on a stand and I could remove the mech a lot quicker when it was playing up.

Third - British refurb of a German machine (the Roma, it's on this forum). This just involved me picking the locks and just playing it a lot as I was lucky in that it was all there but just gunked up.

Fourth - Sega Windsor. Not so good to get to grips with as it used electricity for solenoids on play cycles and of course electricity worries me a lot. I got there in the end but these have chrome doors and get pitted. Massively expensive to rechrome.

Fifth - Jubilee OXO (Powell's conversion). Easy to understand, it had two plays for one coin and this took some fixing, electric just used for lighting.

Sixth - Sega Continental - I'd avoid these like the plague; they are massively heavy; lot of brightware which gets pitted which is expensive to get done; even with the mech out they are like lifting a safe. The only ingenious thing about them is that the mech can be pulled forward still in the cabinet and has a swivel turntable at the bottom. I guess this explains why they are so heavy as they won't tip.

Seventh - Bally Gold Award - Nice size machine but all uses electric for coin in and out and got a sting off one; they burn out a lot (friend owns local amusement arcade in Pagham with around 20 Ballys and slowly they are dying out as he can't find replacement parts).

Eighth - Aristocrat Olympic (it's like an Arcadian mk2) - lovely machine to work on, easy to understand, electric only for lights, great starter machine. If you get a 1p one you can get the coin entry laser cut to take 20p coin, fabulous money box.

Ninth - Aristocrat Esprit - Another easy to understand machine, uses plastic reels and plastic cogs (which can wear), but it's simple and electric just for lighting.

So that's my take on the bandits I've bought and everybody on this forum has helped me with each and every purchase. I concur with the guys here: Jubilee or Aristocrat to get going. Take your time over it; don't rush in. Photos on ebay etc. can be deceptive to condition. Ask if you can view, play the machine, see if coins go in, pay out etc. Check the chrome work out. Is machine open? The times I've seen the words "we have no keys and the machine is locked but easy to drill out". Believe me, Ace locks are really hard to drill out and then you've still got to find the door opening component somehow through the drilled out hole. If the machine is open locks can easily be replaced and some locksmiths can rework a new key to fit the existing lock. Good luck with your hunt but be warned, you will end up buying more!!
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Thanks for all your help and advice guys. !!THUMBSX2!!

Malcymal - lot of useful info there and will bear in mind. Hadn't intended getting more than 1 but, as your last comment confirms, that'll never happen! Got one Allwin 3 years ago just for the fun of getting it working and am now on number 7!
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Well there you go! They are addictive. Importantly too when you buy one get what moves you or will fit in the decor of the home. Too much emphasis placed on value of machines imo rather than what actually looks good on your eye. I’d rather have an aristocrat regal than a mills hi-top; burn each to their own and for me it’s about memories of playing the make and model when younger. Get something honest for about £250 that needs little work, paint jobs are relatively easy and good fun to do, if things needs major rechrome walk away, such as a Jennings ! I’m sure there are folk on here who have something tucked away who can message you with stuff they are willing to part with.
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There are often top boxes at Coventry (especially now you said you need one :lol: ). If the artwork is wrong, you can easily change it.
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Thanks coppinpr but in fact I was outbid on that one by a computer app with 1 second to go !!RANT!! but if you see my subsequent post on the subject of a jubilee rivierra colossus -
(Postby coppinpr » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:49 am The payouts are, of course, harder to troubleshoot without seeing the machine. First thing to check is that the reel strips are on in the right positions, although unlikely. What makes me wonder is that it pays the jackpot. Oe of the basic mistakes made when replacing reel strips is to simply line up the BARS and think all the others will line up. The first thing to check is if the payouts are indeed random or are they paying on the same odd combinations each time).
- I bought the Jubilee instead. I am currently keeping a log of the payouts which, apart from one of the jackpot lines - COL-OS-SUS, which pays out correctly, the rest appear to be quite random with the symbols and the coin amounts. As a complete novice with bandits but keen to learn, may I then post the results and seek your (and brigham's who was also helpful) kind advice please on what to do next?
Many thanks......Brian (if this should be put on the jubilee rivierra post, apologies, and feel free to move it)
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The more info and photos you post the more we will help. :lol:
If they are truly random then it's possibly the fact that it's paying out WITHOUT any symbol combination. This can be caused by the slide brake not holding the slides back every time after the machine cycles. Dirt and small timing adjustment would be the most likely cause. The jackpot line paying out correctly would be because the jackpot releases all the slides and is overriding the error, if you see what I mean. What does the machine do on say 3 oranges? Anything? Random? Correct?
I was outbid on that one by a computer app with 1 second to go
I always use "esnipe" - that way you have as much chance as anyone else and (in the UK at least) it costs only $1 per item to use.
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Thanks again coppinpr, for your continued help and advice. I will spend a few days logging in the results and post again when I have enough stats to make sense. Currently it has paid out correctly a few times such as the cherry on first reel paying 2, but randomly on others, including occasionally 1 or 3 coins. Will keep logging but meanwhile pics of payout chart and reels attached in case this throws up any clues.
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Trying to log and identify accurate pay outs against inaccurate ones simply by playing it and leaving the outcomes to chance seems the long way to do it and a bit hap hazard.
You need to first check the pay out discs for blanked off holes, and check the winning combinations for holes lining up that the vertical fingers can access.
That will not only confirm if the winning lines are accessible but highlight any combinations that should never pay out but do, thus giving a clue as to any reel strips that have been refitted badly.

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You need to first check the pay out discs for blanked off holes, and check the winning combinations for holes lining up that the vertical fingers can access.
I feel, BP, you underestimate my naivity on all matters bandit related, not least the terminology !PUZZLED! Whilst I am happy to dismantle an Allwin and reassemble it (sometimes even in the right order!) bandits are a whole new ball game (coin game?) to me so methinks a trip to the Coventry auction beckons where I can maybe throw myself on the mercy of a member who can show me the internal mysteries of these magic machines in the flesh, so to speak. :didact:
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brianh wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:36 pm methinks a trip to the Coventry auction beckons where I can maybe throw myself on the mercy of a member who can show me the internal mysteries of these magic machines in the flesh, so to speak. :didact:


An excellent suggestion, I'm the good looking one sporting the knowledgeable air of confidence.
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If, as you say, you really are new to bandits you probably don't know the best way to log and check payouts. It's in the hint and tips section but basically this is what to do:

This is best observed with the mech OUT of the case, although that will make it harder to depress the arm that fires the mech.

At the back of the mech is a clockwork fan which winds up as you pull the handle and unwinds as the reels spin. This controls the timing of every part of the cycle.
Put a coin in the machine;
Depress the handle all the way to make the reels spin;
As soon as the reels start to spin throw a cloth/duster into the fan from the rear - this simply stops the fins from turning. As long as you leave the cloth in place the reels will turn freely by hand, this gives you the chance to do several checks.
You can line up the reels quickly by hand and see if the holes on the large payout discs on the right line up ready for the fingers to shoot through. You can also line up a payout so it reads correct from the front then, holding the reels in place by hand, remove the cloth and let the cycle run its course. You will be able to see if the fingers shoot through the holes and what the machine pays for that combination.
Try not to put your fingers into the mech while it's running - it pinches...hard. :shock:
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I believe this machine is running on old shillings/early 5p coin and should have just 4 payout slides:

1 = 2 coin slide
2 = 4 coin slides
1 = jackpot slide

Is that the case?
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Looks to me as if it pays 2-4-6-8-10 PLUS the Jackpot, which is 5x2 plus jp.
A bit more complicated, but not insurmountable.
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coppinpr wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:25 pm I believe this machine is running on old shillings/early 5p coin and should have just 4 payout slides:

1 = 2 coin slide
2 = 4 coin slides
1 = jackpot slide

Is that the case?
Yes, running on shillings which I have a pile of. Looks like 6 payout slides if I'm looking at this correctly ? but then on the last (incorrect) payout which was lemon-cherry-lemon it paid out 2 coins but both of bottom 2 slides activated! !PUZZLED!
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OK, I'm getting confused (help me out here BP) - the slides can't pay 1 coin each, you couldn't get your payouts that way.
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I hadn't been following this one too far as it seems it was confusing enough without me sticking my whore in.
Is it possible ……..
The original denomination is so unusual when playing it on something thicker it miss pays?
The OP hasn't enough coins to weigh the stack down so when the slides fire they jump up?
Is it the wrong coin entirely, look at the diameter on the pay out tube?
How many fingers both vertical and horizontal are there?
Do they match?
How many pairs of Bri-nylon socks does the OP own, do they match?

It sounds cobbled, so I guess most of us would be wanting to check the basics wouldn't we, like pay out discs, slugs, fingers blah blah?However the jargon is confusing so if he does turn up at Coventry (while you're slumming it cruising The Indian Oceon) we can give him a quick run through
(eh? !!/\!!)

Unless TF has other ideas?

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