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Are Bryans machines overrated??

Postby tammy » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:01 pm

Bryan's machines are they overrated in price?

Does anyone else think like me over the years that Bryans machines, although liked like other vintage amusement machines, are seen by some as a Rolls Royce in the vintage slots world and fetch really high prices.

Here is my reasoning behind what I have felt for many years. Despite the fact I have had quite a number of them over the years, I don't have any in my collection.
1/ They were made in similar numbers to Oliver Whales machines and at decimal currency the operators sold both on, getting rid at same rate, often as little as £4 each for an allwin.
The quality isn't often as high as some collectors state, esp. with cabinets... I know Whales machines were of poorer quality... getting the phrase 'Cheap and Cheerful' due to cheaply made but beautiful colourful backflashes!
2/ In my opinion I love the Bryans old penny cranes and the Elevenses but not the Fivewins, and find some of the Bryans machines rather boring compared with other vintage machines.

I find it REALLY DIFFICULT to go along with how many people selling Bryans machines often put dates from the '50s to '60s, when the machines they are selling were sometimes made after the decimal years, possibly up to the 1990s, when they were still being made in limited numbers.

Does anyone else feel a lot of Bryans stuff is overrated and one day will take a crashing of prices when they find a more realistic level??

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Re: Are Bryans machines over rated??

Postby treefrog » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:22 pm

You’re right about one thing, the cabinets were not high quality, but I suspect you would get a flood of response, if not in writing on here, but in spirit. The key thing is that Mr Bryans had the most inventive creative mind in creating probably the widest range of overly complicated, varied and interesting machines to any other company. Look at the list, from the Hidden Treasure to the Double Top. Not all were successful and many were made in very few numbers, as per the rarity lists on Melright's site or Braithewaite's book. I also believe there will be a machine or two that would appeal to every taste of collector.

These are are few of the many reasons me thinks the machines will be high up the list in collectibility and price .....try getting hold of some of them. |/XX\|

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Re: Are Bryans machines over rated??

Postby coppinpr » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:34 pm

As far as some allwins go I agree. I've never understood why the Elevenses is so sought-after; it's boring. For me, Parkers are "Rolls Royce" of allwins.
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Re: Are Bryans machines over rated??

Postby tammy » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:36 pm

Yes, you are right about the Bryan's inventiveness!
Also I have thought since writing I should have included the Bryans Clock and Fruit Bowl in the ones that I do really like.
As for price, I am not convinced that they will always keep some of the very high amounts that they change hands for at the moment.

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Re: Are Bryans machines over rated??

Postby treefrog » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:43 pm

Of course market trends in pricing go up and down, but it does detract from how popular or rare a machine is, which will always be the case and, as such, people will pay to get a machine they want.

I would never pay for a Watling Rol a Top, as I think they are seriously overpriced and were made in large volumes, but others like the look and will pay for one... That’s the way of our collectables world...

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Re: Are Bryans machines over rated??

Postby tammy » Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:14 pm

I suppose it's funny how we all like different machines.
I have always found machines like the Bryans Allsports, the Payramid and Double Decker, to name just three, as somewhat boring... even in the old arcade days I did.

Whereas.. the Watling Rol a Top bandits, I loved them when I was a young boy. When at Withernsea, East Yorkshire I first saw a row of them in the old penny seaside arcade there (it was Teddies Arcade) with their double rows of mints and multi jackpots and beautiful castings covered with the birds, the horn of plenty, and gold like coins.. the reels strips with interesting words etc on. I just had to put a penny or two in them and fell in love with them then!
Even at their high price today, if I came into money I believe would go and buy a genuine one!
I say genuine one, as there are many copies and some people were making the the castings in the past and passing them off as the original items!

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Re: Are Bryans machines overrated??

Postby bryans fan » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:14 am

I think it boils down to supply and demand. Some Bryans machines were made in relatively small numbers according to Braithwaite's book, and how many have survived? According to the book there were 42 of the Six-O-More made. So perhaps only half have survived. Bryans machines of late seem to have gone down in price, perhaps everyone who wants a Gapwin, for instance, has one. Ours is still a very niche hobby in comparison to many areas of collecting. It only needs two people who are desperate for a particular machine to push the price up. I recall a sudden leap in Wonders prices a couple of years ago. :!?!:

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Re: Are Bryans machines overrated??

Postby coppinpr » Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:07 pm

Ours is still a very niche hobby in comparison to many areas of collecting. It only needs two people who are desperate for a particular machine to push the price up
That's such a valid point! It's also interesting how fashions change. My guess is Whales machines will go up in value despite being (relatively) common as collectors look to build up a small selection of different models while prices are reasonable... Penny personal weight machines are another example, totally ignored by collectors for so long due to there size and vast numbers available. Consequently, most were scrapped. Now few survive and their charm has been recognized and prices are high.

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Re: Are Bryans machines overrated??

Postby tammy » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:35 pm

Some of the details and especially numbers of machines quoted to have been made in the Braithwaite's slot machine book I believe need to be not taken too serious.

It's a good book and gives good general knowledge but accurate it isn't always.
A good example is the large Win a Cig or Fag. They are the same in size as the sister and brother Fill Em Up and Many Happy Returns range. The large Win a Cig, with rows of balls and picture, is quoted as very rare with just one machine.
I, after the book came out have picked up two of them on separate occasions and have seen no end of them for sale, especially on ebay! Sometimes the seller now in the details quotes Braithwaite's book stating, "only one example known... very rare!"

I used to collect old coins when I was young and the Royal Mint isn't sure of the coin mintage figures it has published in the past. Some dates of rare pennies they later put a larger amount and some dates that they were supposed to have minted none now they put a very small amount!
History is a bit like this... a lot of inventions were British but often it's patents and people buying an invention out.
A good example is Edison invented the light bulb... Well he didn't. Swan a British inventor did. My dad who's now gone said many were working on the electric light at the same time but Swan's was the first. Edison bought it out and patented it!

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Re: Are Bryans machines overrated??

Postby coppinpr » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:56 pm

Another example in the same vein...
I've been interested in a particular type of antique china for a very long time. When I started collecting it the "Bible" for that china was a large and regularly update price guide... then along came the internet and, 21 years ago, ebay uk and that price guide became obsolete overnight as people seeing the china online thought, "my granny left me a box of that, it's in the attic and I don't want it". Prices on many items crashed as available numbers increased and models never before listed in the price guide suddenly appeared, fetching very high prices. It's true to say that within two years ebay inadvertently set the standard prices in that particular field and still does.


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