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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby daveslot » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:31 pm

santelmann wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:49 pm
mastereddy69 wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:35 pm
Does anyone know what that little glass window is on the top left of the front of the machine?
Normaly is a small numbered disc (2 ,4,8,12,16,20), driven by some gears from payout unit, behind the window.
It shows the value of last profit.
In 99% the parts a missing. I knew only 2 machines that still have this item.
Think I have a version of this in a rather plain case but with a complete mech. Skills, vender, future play.
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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby santelmann » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:28 pm

That is a late Jentzsch & Meerz Giganta! Rare!
Here some information:
https://alte-spielautomaten.de/index.ph ... egory_id=1

The mechanism is similar to J&M Omega type machine but with sidepull. Notice the little reel on left machine.
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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby daveslot » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:47 pm

Oh! Jentzsch & Meerz, I was thinking that it was Schwarz as it's got a badge featuring an acorn and leaves, like on the Schwarz top casting.

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby santelmann » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:32 pm

Hi Dave!
The acorn and leaves sign appeared roundabout 1932 and was used by some German manufactors

J&M:
Brass plate or cast in frontplate or casted plate to fix with screws

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Tura:
Casted in top
First only acorn and leaves, then with word "Deutsch" last version with "Rein Deutsch"

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Waterslide Decal in red, white or gold, or printed in black on white paper inlay

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby daveslot » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:28 pm

Thanks, very informative.

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby badpenny » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:52 pm

mastereddy69 wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:46 pm
And is it true that the mechanisms of a Tura were made by Mills or is that not true?
My understanding is that the prototypes were Mills mechs. The idea being that they did the project work. However why I think that I have no idea, I might have read it somewhere or I might just have simply made it up.

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby santelmann » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:44 am

It`s not easy to answer that question. I had some discussions with other collectors in the past.
I think Tura used Mills parts, as far they were available, and complete with own parts. Missing parts were produced in Germany.
There were different workshops in the Tura factory building:
Paintshop, joinery, electroplating, metal punch. A lot of work was done by external factories, all castings for example.

There were some German manufacturers who used Mills (and other) machines to build their „own“ product.
For example some stripes for the typical Mills reels: Tura (Schwarz) in paper, Coppel (F.Coppel) in sheet metal:
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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby santelmann » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:25 pm

daveslot wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:31 pm
Think I have a version of this in a rather plain case but with a complete mech. Skills, vender, future play.
Hi Dave!
I have organized me a conversion Giganta, nice case but the machine is completely destroyed.

PermissaALeer.jpg
I'm sure that I have the missing parts somewhere in stock :burp: but I have no idea how they look....
Specially the assembly for the coin insert mechanism to the driver disc on the main frame is wanted.

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Could you make a picture from your machine?

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby daveslot » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:26 am

Hi, will do, but I am on holiday at the moment ,waiting for the weather to improve in the UK, so could be some time :lol:

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Re: C.M. Schwarz Tura

Postby santelmann » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:15 pm

Thanks !!THUMBSX2!!

No problem, i could wait. Wish you a nice holiday and fine weather!


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